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Real men - Malcolm wants you.

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What exactly does anyone have to lose by acknowledging that men are also victims of domestic violence? Why can’t the Prime Minister say that everyone who is a victim of violence needs help? Why did he have to say that he took domestic violence to mean violence against women? What do women’s groups have to lose by acknowledging that men also get killed and maimed?

We need to help all victims and if that means that the majority of funding goes to women based on the fact that the majority of victims are women then that is reasonable. It is not reasonable to deny men the same support just because they are men. Every human being who is injured deserves help no matter how that injury came about.

What is the government and the women behind this program afraid of? Why is it so hard to acknowledge that a male domestic violence victim in the emergency ward bleeds just the same as women? It is a simple observable fact and yet it seems impossible for so many to just accept this fact.

It is like they are hanging on as desperately as they can to a belief that domestic violence is a flaw in men that is somehow innate whereas in women it is just an accidental aberration. This is the conclusion they draw from the figures. What is innate in men is that by and large they are bigger and stronger than women and so they will use that advantage when they feel they have to. If women were bigger and stronger then I have no doubt that the figures would be reversed. You only have to see how many women use violence towards their children because they have a physical advantage. Of course there is no way of proving the numbers of this violence because not many five-year-olds know their way to the police station.

Violence is common to both genders so it is time to stop pretending it is a male only issue.
Posted by phanto, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 3:13:52 PM
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phanto, "What exactly does anyone have to lose by acknowledging that men are also victims of domestic violence?"

It is about greed.

Feminist academics especially have a vested interest in continuing to control the discourse that has served them so well for decades.

Feminism is educated middle class (usually white) women protecting and extending their entitlement. But they always were entitled.

That is why there was an immediate, concerted, very ruthless campaign against the proposed male studies course at the University of Adelaide.

-Come to think of it, if there was an element of truth in 'patriarchy' and male privilege, how come the only proposed non-feminist controlled course in Australia was rolled, cow-dozed (and so dishonestly)?

"Domestic Violence against men? Australia says, 'YES!'"
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 4:30:12 PM
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And meanwhile you, Phanto, and the other apologists for violent criminals dominating this list of a dozen or so correspondents have ducked and weaved throughout to avoid either confirming that violent criminals can't commit domestic violence while behind bars or demonstrating why this isn't so.

And following on that, if it really is so then why it is desirable that the perpetrators of domestic violence remain at large. Indeed you might explain why speculating endlessly on how many men, or women, or immigrants, or Aborigines, or caluthumpians, inflict domestic violence is more productive than getting the perpetrators out of the homes and off the streets.
Posted by EmperorJulian, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 5:39:19 PM
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EmperorJulian, "..apologists for violent criminals.."

What absolute rot, a total fabrication and the very opposite of what I have been saying. PLease do me the politeness of reading and comprehending my posts.
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 5:55:10 PM
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otb,

"It is about greed.

Feminist academics especially have a vested interest in continuing to control the discourse that has served them so well for decades.

Feminism is educated middle class (usually white) women protecting and extending their entitlement. But they always were entitled."

Jeepers!...you'll enjoy this from First Dog on the Moon then...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2015/sep/30/news-corp-columnist-pancetta-mandibles-has-an-answer-for-everything-about-domestic-violence?CMP=share_btn_tw

Perhaps a quote...

"I myself have never been able to find out precisely what feminism is: I only know that people call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat."

Rebecca West
Posted by Poirot, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 6:45:32 PM
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To put my quote back in its context, here it is again,

<phanto, "What exactly does anyone have to lose by acknowledging that men are also victims of domestic violence?"

It is about greed.

Feminist academics especially have a vested interest in continuing to control the discourse that has served them so well for decades.

Feminism is educated middle class (usually white) women protecting and extending their entitlement. But they always were entitled.

That is why there was an immediate, concerted, very ruthless campaign against the proposed male studies course at the University of Adelaide>

onthebeach, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 4:30:12 PM
[http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=7006&page=20'
Posted by onthebeach, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 6:59:12 PM
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