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Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 18 September 2015 8:19:35 PM
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ABC Catalyst Toorale skull murder mystery. This is the TV doco from April showing the skull and details of opinion. Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 19 September 2015 6:31:15 AM
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Dear Nick,
Thank You for this discussion. I did not watch Catalyst - however I read the transcript with great interest. http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/4211835.htm This is an important discovery. As historian Prof. Henry Reynolds points out such a find is extremely rare. It will be interesting to see where this all leads. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 19 September 2015 7:25:25 AM
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There are several sites about Three Brothers. Lismore Council has a signboard and Aboriginal guides to explain the events.
As this site says, it is the only legend about a boat arrival. From On top of the Hill : Bundjalung Nation onthehillgilayjun.blogspot.com/p/bunda.html To the best of knowledge the Bundjalung Nation Aboriginal people from the East ... This event is related through the legend of "The Three Brothers (Bundjalung ... Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 19 September 2015 8:29:32 AM
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In "Australian Dreaming" J Isaacs , the 3 brothers who came from Ngareenbil were Ya Birrein, Birrung and Mamoon.
In Old Balinese language ,ngareenbil means "your beloved countryman" in the High Level ( royal ) register of vocabulary. Bali was Negara, the Hindu ritual government system. Indonesian nagara "country". Ya Birrein is "the first" , Birrung "last" . _ Qld Uni School of Languages. Balinese families name children by terms 1st to 4th, then back to 1st child. Mamoon (mamun)is a Sanskrit / Balinese term for "uncle". "aunt uncle." Indo. bibi paman ,Balinese. maman maman, (high level)paman paman Bundjalung maman means "father". Nagara is "the sea" (as in ngaranbil "overseas islands". By comparison, Indonesian barat means "the west" the direction to Bharata , India. Ngari is the tribal dance of Bundjalung. Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 19 September 2015 8:52:17 AM
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Despite what the ABC says, it's not a murder mystery as there is no way that the death can be categorized, he may have been killed in battle, executed by his tribe etc., we can never know.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 19 September 2015 10:23:10 AM
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Forensic, surgical and museum evidence suggests that hardwood can't slice cortical bone that way.
It may be that Kertajaya, a deranged king who was deposed in 1222 in Java, may be connected. He went to the land of gods. He disappeared without trace - G Coeddes.
Aboriginal legend and Indian cultures seem to support this, if anyone is interested.