Wrong again Shadow, (how many times have I posted that), I don't hate Catholics, or anyone for that matter, such an overused emotive term is hate. I hate the institution that is the Catholic Church, and the continuing hypocrisy of that, and other ecclesiastical organisations. I am an atheist, I have little time for organised religions as such, the Islamic religion included. Does that clear that misconception of yours up, I hope so.

"I (SM) notice that after the initial opening of borders to migrants, everyone is now slamming the doors shut" A natural reaction, people feel threaten, but like Abbott's turn back the boats it does not mean the problem has gone away, simply temporally diverted. I to have seen the images of riot police with their tear gas and water cannon "combating" refugees in Europe. The world, including Australia, is fast approaching the cross roads on the issue of refugees, at the moment about 42 million of them, that number can grow exponentially in a very short time. There is more than one scenario for solving the problem, from the extreme with guns and bullets to the humane. I for one favour the humanitarian approach, which is more expensive and more difficult and time consuming, but definitely less destructive than the extreme solution.

Butch, you did not answer the question, do you serve Muslims, and therefore profit from them? A simple yes or no will do.

"I (Butch) grew up as a kid in a country that was a peace loving nation. Obviously you didn't grow up during WWII, the Korean War, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq I and II and now Syria. What might be fair to say is I grew up in a country that, although heavily involved in war, was able to keep up the appearance of peace loving. "Surely my grandson is entitled to the same" I hope not, surly he is entitled to something better.

Paul,

Your relationship with Catholics is the same as Butch's with Muslims, as so if you call butch a racist, you are essentially calling yourself a racist.

Given the last few decades, the crimes perpetrated by muslims against all other faiths, women and children, based on some muslim scholars' more extreme interpretations are sickening and eclipse even the worst abuses of the Catholic churches from the same period.

https://twitter.com/coinabs/status/644683475031715840/photo/1

People are scared of muslims for the same reasons they are scared of sharks, the danger is very rare, but it is indiscriminate and brutal, and people are leaving the beaches.

Shadow again I must say wrong again!

<<Your relationship with Catholics is the same as Butch's with Muslims, as so if you call butch a racist, you are essentially calling yourself a racist.>>

No it is not.

Butch said <<I think it's fair to suggest Muslims have shown they are unable to prevent their own from radicalizing so why on earth would we consider taking more in, needy of not.>>

A blanket statement covering all Muslims, men women and children. Irrationally Butch wants to penalize all for the actions of a few, something the vast majority have no control over. The only commonality being their religion. That is racism.

I on the other hand have said I dislike the Catholic Church, an organisation, I just as easily could have said, I dislike the KKK another organisation. At no time have I said all Catholics are responsible for the actions of the organisation and a minority of members, then demanding all be penalized in some way for the actions of that minority.
How can a person be racists towards an organisation. You are racists towards the Labor Party, ridiculous.

//pretty much every terrorist is a Muslim//

Codswallop. I used the the University of Maryland's Global Terrorism Database to have a look at terrorist attacks in Australia between 2000 and 2014; there have been more committed by non-Islamic perpetrators such as anarchists, neo-nazis and regular garden-variety nutters than there have been by the dreaded towel-heads under the beds. Check it out for yourself:

http://tinyurl.com/nc4e7xd

You are entitled to your own (medieval) opinions, rechtub. But you are not entitled to your own facts.

Toni, thanks for that link, the gullible, and we have a couple on this tread, want to believe the narrative as pushed by the likes of Bush, Howard and Blair, and more recently Abbott. Like conservatives the world over they are naturally frightened people, and susceptible to influence, particularly when that narrative plays on their already deep seated latent fears.

Paul,

Your own all encompassing denigration of the catholic faith is no better than that of which you accuse butch. Besides Butch has not accused women and children of supporting terrorism, but rather the muslim community of turning a blind eye to its more radical elements, which has substantial evidence.

TL,

I looked at your website, and of these 18 events, 4 have been terror attacks by Muslims and 4 non muslim terror attacks the other 10 are undefined. What is not covered are the many planned attacks that were thwarted by ASIO.