otb,

Kindly provide us with evidence to substantiate
your claims. I am not ducking anything.
You have a tendency to make sweeping genralisations
on this forum and accuse others of all sorts of things.
Put up or shut up!

Fox,

More poisoning of the well and there you go again, turning it all back on any poster who queries your opinions. Still no answer to questions though.

Interesting that you are in denial of the many indigenous success stories, individual and community.

Where the individual and/or community takes up the opportunities they are well placed to be success stories. One could argue that it takes far more determination to reject the opportunities offered and paid for by the Taxpayer than it does to take them up.

Any solutions must come from within, from the individual indigenous themselves and from within their communities.

Now, lets try again to get an answer to those questions you are ducking,

"What about you and Fox explain the bifurcation in aboriginal society? Where it is plain that many (most?) Aborigines are doing very well from taking full advantage of the opportunities available to them?

What, who is responsible, for the deep difference of Bungonia Gorge proportions between the many indigenous communities that are thriving - good health and well-being, women and children safe - and those where drunken, thieving brutes waste millions of dollars of taxpayer money and where children, male and female infants and adolescents are abused as a daily routine?"
[from, onthebeach, Tuesday, 2 June 2015 11:17:51 AM]

Paul, Foxy,

I think that reconciliation means different things for every person. For me it means a meeting of the minds as to what is fair. The non indigenous people need to give the indigenous people equal treatment and not discrimination. Similarly the indigenous peoples need to take responsibility for their own actions.

For example, small remote communities whether white or not suffer higher rates of alcoholism, domestic violence etc, along with lower levels of housing education and health due to the high cost of servicing these communities. The cost of educating a child in remote communities sometimes equals the cost of a top private school in the cities with low outcomes, and health care is similar.

Choosing to stay in remote areas where there no jobs or prospects is a recipe for misery.

Reconciliation can only be successful if BOTH sides bury those long held prejudices and false beliefs. Bigotry is one of the greatest barriers to a successful integration of both black and white, socially and vocationally.

I relieved, unaccompanied, w/o my spouse at a far western, mid-sized township (a case of 'try before you buy'?), and I can tell you never would I willing go to such a place again, as a uniformed member performing GD's, never ! Drunken, brawling blacks, Vs drunken brawling whites. And who were worse do you reckon ?

I've been typing up old documents in relation to Aboriginal policy and I'm working through conference papers of the first meeting of the Aboriginal Affairs Council in 1968. Senior officers were asked around the table how many Aboriginal people were in their States (States always kept count of Aboriginal people, but they weren't counted not at federal level until after the 1967 Referendum): one said he wasn't sure because more and more people were coming forward to claim benefits that were not available to non-Aboriginal people. 1968.

When I lived in a community up on the Murray across the mid-seventies, pretty much everybody had decent houses, @ $ 6 - 8 p.w. rent.

By the end of this year, around forty thousand Indigenous people will have graduated from universities. 120,000 have commenced university study since 1990 or so. Currently, 15,000 are enrolled, 98 % in mainstream courses. Around 6,000 commence study each year, 20 % at post-graduate level, so around 40 % of an age-group are commencing study each year. 40 %.

Please, no more victim stuff. Those days are well gone.

Joe
www.firstsources.info

Dear Joe (Loudmouth),

Have seen John Pilger's film - "Utopia?"

It depicts today. Not the past.