(cont'd)

Many African and Near and Middle Eastern Islamic societies are still in the Malthusian trap, where people want very large families.

http://www.newsecuritybeat.org/2015/05/whats-west-central-africas-youthful-demographics-high-desired-family-size/

The population of Syria has more than quadrupled since 1960. The unrest there started, not with radical students, but with poor people who were being squeezed between a drought and very high food prices on the world market.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/food-scarcity-fanning-flames-war-terror-2032225303

Where there is no strong central government to stop them, people have traditionally dealt with overpopulation by trying to drive out or kill their neighbours to take their resources. This is what is responsible for the really big refugee flows. As Hasbeen has said, very often the only difference between the refugees and the oppressors is who lost. All the property that the (genuine) Hazara refugees could not carry with them now belongs to someone else. Societies fracture most easily along ethnic and sectarian lines, but people are ingenious about finding other excuses if these won't do.

These problems are really tough because we can't change people's attitudes. The only dysfunctional culture that you can hope to change is your own. Where there is a central government that could do something, we can put pressure on them - trade sanctions, denial of visas, seizure of overseas property of the elite, etc. Let the World Court decide if the Rohingyas are illegal immigrants from Bangladesh (as Myanmar claims) or an authentic local ethnic minority. Then come down on the responsible government.

Walking over our own disadvantaged fellow citizens to help the Rohingyas (when their Muslim brothers and their co-ethnics in Bangladesh won't) and then dealing with a huge flood of boat people is not a viable option - unless you want to see a party like Australia First elected. Nor is shielding people from the consequences of their own bad decisions. I recall reading that high Rohingya fertility rates are a factor in the unrest and persecutions in Myanmar.

In our own refugee intake, we should give priority to people who have worked for reform in their own countries.

Dear Shadow Minister,

Thank You for that.

Although I can't get around the fact that
how on earth can they destroy the boats.
Then what?
Where will they take the people?

Sorry, I have my doubts as this being the answer.

But, I guess we'll have to wait and see what
adjustments they can come up with that will
work.

Shadow, Foxy,
I appreciate genuine compassion and altruism when I encounter it because I've so often been it's beneficiary, Foxy in particular seems genuine and thoughtful. The problem is that nihilists, xenophiles and histrionic lunatics control the debate and the mainstream media, their response to anyone who so much as wishes to debate immigration policy or the refugee convention is "No platform for racists!".
Let's not even dignify the pro refugee movements by calling them "do gooders" or "Leftists", call them nihilsts, call them self hating nutcases because they have no genuine compassion in their hearts, only hatred, mindless violence and hysterical rage.
Whatever happens we can no longer trust any government to manage the borders and maritime boundaries properly, the responsibility has to be taken away from them and the only way to do that is give the required 12 months notice to the U.N that Australia will no longer honour the convention on refugees, then it's all over, Indonesia is saved from the pull factor along with Thailand,Malaysia and Myanmar.

G'day there JAY of MELBOURNE...

Indeed a very interesting question for sure ? Is it possible do you think that we Australians are being taken for a nation of mugs ? I do wonder if many of these Refugees who 'flee for their very lives', before doing so, jump on their computers for the purpose of establishing which country has the best, and easiest to access, welfare benefits ?

Welfare of a kind that would generally appeal to certain classes of émigré ? High on the list is obviously the most generous social security benefits; unlimited access to medical services; a full suite of criminal legislation that overwhelming favours the guilty; together with an absurdly commiserative judiciary; and last but not least ? A population and political system that are generally perceived as being the least shrewd in terms of being easily inveigle, with 'tall stories and true' ?

Again I ask, are we a nation of mugs do you think, JAY of MELBOURNE ?

Sorry Jay, but do you think is going to make this happen? "we can no longer trust any government to manage the borders and maritime boundaries properly, the responsibility has to be taken away from them and the only way to do that is give the required 12 months notice to the U.N that Australia will no longer honour the convention on refugees, then it's all over, Indonesia is saved from the pull factor along with Thailand, Malaysia and Myanmar."

Hi there PHILIP S...

What you say is undeniable correct I'm afraid, but do you believe we've learnt anything ? We've still got people like Ms HANSON-YOUNG constantly pillorying those of us who would wish to take a much harder line with certain types of immigrants and providing assistance to certain classes of Refugees.

A very worrying trend that I've been recently made aware from a former colleague, the incendiary mix of black ethnicity with Islam ? Some former Refugees from the Sudan and Somalia have become feral with absolutely no fear nor respect for police ? Yet the powers that be, still insist in trying to handle the problem along conciliatory lines, rather then taking a posture of real force as a potential consequence, if this pattern of behaviour were to prevail.

It's thought by those who (apparently) know, that amongst the Sudanese and Somalian Refugee communities, 'force' is respected, whereas the softer approach is invariably perceived as a weakness ? Another interesting aspect, when dealing with these groups, female police should NOT be deployed neither ?

Another curious element of multiculturalism ?