The previous Rudd Labor government was very casual about defending Australia's borders and to whom it gave citizenship, as Rudd pursued his 'Big Australia' policy, a scam to bring in migrants to swing marginal seats in cities.

It was very dangerous indeed for Rudd and later Gillard and her treacherous Greens sidekicks to demonstrate to neighbours and larger countries greedy for agricultural land, resources and currency that Australia has no bottle to defend its borders and it could easily be dictated to even by the international criminal gangs smuggling people.

Australia is known as a country with over 98% of its people living the soft life in cities and many dependent on government. It is a country awash with drugs that does not value its assets - a contemptible stance where Asians are concerned. Australian citizens are now seen as fat, foolish and judgmental towards Asians, without the core values and traditions that make them a recognisable people.

That is the inheritance of the 'Progressives' who would allow the criminal gangs and their legal counsel and advocates to browbeat authorities with emotional blackmail and threats if that doesn't work. What refugee has the equivalent of the cost of a first class airfare Sydney to London to spend with a criminal gang for a short boat trip with no papers? What refugee leaves his family behind and sets fire to his accommodation and facilities to get his own way?

These men and they are very largely young men, are opportunists who should be back in the own countries doing the hard yards to make improvements. -Although it does seem apparent that they would prefer to slack off on Centrelink while while holding fast to the toxic beliefs and values that they say they wanted to avoid.

Dear spindoc,

Cinderella,?

I guess you think you know this story
You don't. The real one's much more gory.
The phoney one, the one you know
Was cooked up years and years ago
And made to sound all soft and sappy
Just to keep the children happy

As for Batgirl and MI5?
That would really have been sublime
However she went to Ascot and of course
For once she backed the winning horse
Thereafter, every single day
The continued to make the bookies pay
She soon became a millionaire
By always getting her fair share
Which shows that gambling's not a sin
Provided that you always win.

OTB,
These men slack off on Centrelink and spend all their days in internet cafe's or on their phones grooming little white girls on social media. Go into one of the cafe's or hairdressers frequented by Afghans or Sri Lankans and look over their shoulder at the screen, if they're not watching porn they're on Facebook or Instagram looking at some young kid's profile.
Damn, if this forum switched to V Bulletin and we could upload photos I could show everyone how these men live and behave in the community because I could just walk round the corner and take photos of the flophouse where dozens of "refugees" hang out or walk up to Broadway and film them in their cafes. They come here to steal, defraud, rape and deal drugs because that's how they live in their own countries, it's just that the return on such activities is so much higher in Australia than it is in Asia. These men are the idlers, the urchins and the ne'er do wells of their home societies and they've discovered that White, middle class, left leaning Australians tend to turn a blind eye to things like drug peddling, pedophilia and rape as long as it's only perpetrated on "bogans", the White underclass.

Robert Le Page, as usual reason trumps phoney compassion driven by ulterior motives, we can give you practically endless, scientifically and morally sound arguments as to why importing unlimited numbers of men from Asia and Africa is a bad idea and all you can come up with is "muh feelings". Out group altruism and Xenophilia are not indicators of civilised behaviour or an enlightened mind, such attitudes are held by people who are disconnected from reality and have no understanding of the world outside their door.

'So I will withdraw from this and wait for the continued breakdown of civilisation and hope that I have died before it reaches me.'

Robert sums up the socialist/progressive attitude. They create huge generational problems and leave it for others to clean up the mess while still trying to take the high moral ground.

This problem is ultimately largely down to overpopulation issues, as SteeleRedux says, and resource issues, as Bazz says. The humanitarians on this issue don't seem to understand about the Malthusian trap. In Malthusian trap societies - virtually everyone before the 20th century - people "multiply beyond their means of subsistence", as Charles Darwin put it. A graph of living standards over time is a downward sloping curve, punctuated by occasional spikes where new crops or new technology have expanded the carrying capacity, or where some disaster has pruned back the population. The good times never last, though, because they just lead to more population growth. An Italian labourer in the 19th century had to work half again as long for bare subsistence as in the 15th after the Black Death ("the Golden Age of the worker"), despite 400 years of technological progress and despite the introduction of some amazingly productive crops from the New World.

http://www.paolomalanima.it/default_file/Articles/Wages_%20Productivity.pdf

Eventually the curve levels off (if there is no collapse due to environmental degradation or inadequate safety margins), and not just due to higher death rates. The market for hired labour becomes glutted and collapses, and there is so little land per person that not even slave labour can raise production enough to pay for itself. People then get serious about limiting their numbers (often by very brutal means before modern contraception). Needless to say, the poverty is a powerful incentive to emigrate, legally or otherwise, as witness the Bangladeshis on those boats.

Steele is correct that the global fertility rate has come down. But we are still growing at 70-80 million a year, and the global trend masks what is happening in some countries that are still in the trap or have only recently left it. Because such people are left with a pyramid-shaped age distribution, where most of the deaths are in the relatively tiny elderly generation at the tip, the population can go on growing for up to another 70 years, even if the young people aren't even having enough children to replace themselves.

(cont'd)

Foxy,

This I think goes a long way to settling the debate:

"An EU meeting of foreign and defence ministers in Brussels early this morning agreed the new mission EU Navfor Med is to be charged with identifying, intercepting, turning around and possibly destroying smugglers’ boats in the Mediterranean Sea.

The mission may, once approved by the United Nations, even take place while the vessels are still in Libyan waters. The EU said it wants to disrupt the traffickers’ “business model’’, which trades on profit before welfare by overcrowding thousands of asylum seekers on rubber dinghy’s or flimsy craft adrift each week."

Apparently the EU is beginning to realise that compassion is better focussed on saving lives.