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Cops. Wrong people in top jobs.

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Foxy,

Apologies for not heeding your sensible advice, but I feel I need to defend myself from such vicious and unprovoked attacks.

o sung wu,

It's ironic that you would accuse me of being a "whining little boy who took his bat home" when I am the only one here still willing to discuss the issues. As soon as yours and Hasbeen's arguments fell flat, the two of you became abusive.

How does stating that I am at least a good person question my "level of his social maturity"? You don't know, do you? It just sounded good.

Your accusing me of arrogance is revealing. All I have done is state the facts. The discomfort they may bring you does not therefore render me arrogant (or what I say as “intended insults”). Anything I’ve said that could be interpreted as arrogance has only ever been in self-defence.

There was nothing about my stating that I don’t want to be a cop that suggested that I was pouting. This too is something you’ve made up just to belittle me. I find it difficult to believe you’re 75. I haven’t had such childish insults thrown my way since primary school, and in such a childish and cowardly manner too by having it spoken to someone else in front of me. You’re a bully and thus fit the traditional policing mold well. You probably wouldn’t be accepted nowadays, though.

I have been almost uncharacteristically polite to you given what you’ve dished out to me. I’ve shown an interest in your career and invited you to share your knowledge and experiences with me and all you’ve done in response is hurl abuse my way when you think I’m wrong, instead of explaining why it is that I’m wrong. Which suggests that I’m right.

You two are thoroughly disgusting people. You can at least be excused with your apparent psychological damage from decades of police work; characterised by your unpredictable and abusive outbursts, hyper-sensitivity to perceived criticisms that aren’t apparent to anyone else, and misplaced question marks. I don’t know what Hasbeen’s excuse is, though.
Posted by AJ Philips, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 1:15:13 AM
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The untenable saga now enveloping the top cops in NSW continues. Yesterday both Deputy Commissioners, and would be if they could be Commissioners, Nick Kaldas and Cath Burn addressed the Police Inquiry, not to give evidence, but to attempt to set the record straight. Kaldas was presented for the first time with a document compiled by Burn which outlined the allegations that led to him being placed under surveillance, including a claim he planted evidence. Kaldas said he believed it was Burn who first raised his name as a possible person of interest. Burn told the inquiry she no longer thought Kaldas was involved in corruption, but defended her reasons for being suspicious.
The good folk of New South Wales deserve better behavior from their top cops, and this includes Commissioner Scipione. If those in command of the police force can not work together, in fact they display thinly veiled animosity towards each other, then they need to be replaced, not just for the peoples sake, but also for the good of the ordinary coppers who risk their lives protecting the state from criminals. Its time for the Baird Government to act.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 6:12:32 AM
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Dear AJ,

I guess when the right buttons are pushed we all
react - (myself included).

Often - humour helps in unpleasant situations.

At least I tried to lighten things up.

Dear Hasbeen,

I'm not giving up on you - just yet!
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 10:53:53 AM
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G'day there PAUL1405...

Me thinks another major scandal sits simmering just below the surface. Nick is one clever, well regarded cop destined to be our next Commissioner, unless something emerges from his long forgotten past ?

In my humble opinion the whole style of NSWPOL inexorably changed when Peter RYAN took over the reins. There was considerable dissatisfaction within the rank and file, with many of his initiatives. His personality aside I thought he tried hard to clean-up the top command structure, prying out those who've been ensconced in their little cubby holes, out to the LAC's ?

One notable A/C was shunted down to W'Gong., threw a magnificent 'hissy fit' and well the rest is history as they say ! Just glad I've retired, I've still got several good mates just awaiting for their (early) retirement, and they'll be off ! The problem is a lot of very valuable experience is lost with their going ? All through internal politics or miss-management whatever they call it ?
Posted by o sung wu, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 2:15:22 PM
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G'day (again) HASBEEN...

I've already heard many people are now launching into massive criticism of police who yesterday unfortunately had to shoot dead that young girl who allegedly was wielding a large butchers knife, in or near a Hungary Jack's concessionary ?

Comments the likes of which suggested, shooting the knife out of her hand; wound her in the leg; fire warning shots; and other suggested options ? All of which are magnificent. However, all police in this country, notwithstanding the State in which the serve, are universally taught to aim, at the 'centre of the seen mass', nowhere else. This is the absolute standard for all 'justified police shootings.

There've been a number of High Court judgements, apropos justified police shootings, one of which was the old Viro judgement, long superseded I believe ?
Posted by o sung wu, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 3:01:40 PM
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Dear O Sung Wu,

In the case of the shooting of the 22 year old
girl - wielding a kitchen knife? One has to
question the training of the police officers.

That four trained police constables
could not disarm one young girl with a kitchen
knife and they had to resort to killing her -
has to be questioned.

Something is indeed very amiss with their training.
A thorough investigation needs to be conducted
so that acts like this could be prevented in the future.

This reflects badly on the entire police force.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 3:24:22 PM
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