DreamOn,

Sorry to disagree with you but it was the offenders chose the place of arrest.

Because prudent policing where such a large shipment of hard drugs is concerned is to intercede and make the arrest when the evidence becomes available to do it successfully and ensure the charges will stick.

I cannot understand why the ABC is misleading its viewers on that. It is stirring, troublemaking, but whatever for?

I agree with your comment about the professionals who support the drug industry and make it profitable. That is a point I have made many times before. There is plenty of white powder and tablets about in the cbd offices where the big money is being earned.

Your idea of spot checks is a good one and it should start with government employees and their contractors, Court officials and politicians too.

Posted by onthebeach, Saturday, 14 February 2015 8:51:54 PM

" ... but it was the offenders chose the place of arrest. ... "

Well, I wouldn't say that they chose to be arrested but I think that I understand what you mean.

" ... Because prudent policing where such a large shipment of hard drugs is concerned is to intercede and make the arrest when the evidence becomes available to do it successfully and ensure the charges will stick. ... "

Given the Indonesian system of "discretionary payments," as is alleged, I would have thought that it would have been a much safer bet to snatch them in Oz, in their own jurisdiction where they could have made reasonably certain of a sure prosecution.

" ... I cannot understand why the ABC is misleading its viewers on that. It is stirring, troublemaking, but whatever for? ... "

If that is the case, it for the AFP to force a retraction from the ABC.

" ... I agree with your comment about the professionals who support the drug industry ... "

Ah yes, I would love to see some of these money grubbing wig parasites and doctors go down, but part of the problem is the false sense of reverence, which of course leads to cases like Jayant Patel. On dispute, regulators will say things like but oh no, the dr said .. therefore it must be true. What a joke. I know plenty of nurses and other hospital staff and the thieving from stock is absolutely rampant. As for those who control the system .. more useless than titties on a bull.

A little bit more about the Indonesian system though, and please do have a heart for the Indo locals, as they are the ones who bare the burden of what I am about to say.

You see, in Indo, if you want to join the police or become a judge or the like (any decent position of status) you have to pay, and by Indo standards, a significant amount of money in order to get the job.

This is perhaps a mechanism by which the families who have money control the place and stay in positions of influence. It has little to do with merit which is one of the reasons these kinds of countries stagnate.

And of course, as soon as say Mr Policeman has his job, the first thing that is on his mind is getting his capital back.

So, you see them making their monthly rounds of the Pussy parlours and the drug dens etc etc And or if you turn up at the court, and you pass the attitude test, and it is not a matter which is in the international spotlight, the first thing the registrar will do is wander off to see if the judge is in a position to "help."

Of course, if you fail the attitude test, or start running off at the mouth, refuse or are unable to pay, then you are likely to be screwed as the normal processes of the law will proceed, and once matters have been escalated, there is little likelihood of anything other than the hammer coming down hard.

Hi there DREAMON...

You last thread is quite correct concerning the amount of incidental pressure that's invoked, should anyone in normal Indonesian society wish employment in the judiciary, police or escalation up the ladder of rank in any branch of the Indonesian military ? Unless of course you have strong family connections, that are born to rule, as it's practiced in the sub-continent ?

Should a 'ne'er do well' get apprehended at the primary line, either coming or going into the country, as you quite correctly opined, provided the incident is initially below the radar as it were, a few well placed 'gratuities' might often disentangle the initial misunderstanding.

This unofficial or secondary judicial process, is quite evident throughout most S.E. Asian nations, to a greater or lesser degree. Though not mentioned in their original Standard Practice of Jurisprudence, it nevertheless exists, and flourishes from all accounts.

Remuneration for the ordinary policeman, or customs officer, magistrate or equivalent are poor. Without the regular 'backhanders' they exist on the lowest of pays, so corruption is the only avenue available to them to obtain a living wage. The term justice doesn't seem to form any part of their vocabulary ?