Dear O Sung Wu,

Thank You for your understanding and explanations.
And for getting what I've been trying to say.
As always, it's deeply appreciated.

I'm too upset at the moment to continue with this
discussion. I'm going to
go and have a cuppa (and a good cry).

I'm withdrawing from this discussion.

Cheers.

Fox,

You are just avoiding the questions that have been put to you. Here is one (again),

How do you arrive at your conclusion that the police are poorly trained and do not operate under agreed, publicised, audited controls, particularly where the use of the lethal and non-lethal tools are concerned?

It impossible if you have been paying any attention to the media at all, that you wouldn't be aware too of the reporting and independent scrutiny* and accountability that follows any use of a firearm.

*including parliamentary scrutiny.

Hi (again) FOXY...

I'm very sorry for adding to your distress, I had no intention of doing so ? As you've so rightly opined, it's just a discussion amongst a gathering of mostly friends, while we all tend to rattle each other's cages occasionally, I'm sure nobody means anyone harm, harm of any sort. After all we've enough misery surrounding us, each and everyday, if anything we should all remain close together, and present as a truly united front, to any and all who may desire to observe us ?

I'm sure you would agree FOXY, there are many countries in the world, where such a Forum would never be permitted to exist. And should by happenstance, it was allowed to operate, everything and everybody thereon, would be very closely monitored even censored to the point that any opinion that was anti-establishment, would have severe consequences. Take it easy FOXY please.

The problem is that "A lie told often enough becomes the truth". [Vladimir Lenin]

I know enough police through volunteering, where not so coincidentally there are many police and other service oriented men and women putting their backs and hearts in to assisting others, to always be doubting as by reflex the motivation and actions of police. Yet it seems to be the way of some to do just that, to doubt the goodwill and intentions of the very people we trust to enforce laws and protect us.

Some sections of the media like to use the wooden spoon to increase their audience for an edition, with scant regard for the damage they do.

At the very least we should refrain from criticising the luckless police who attended, putting their lives on the line, until the usual investigation has reported.

Dear O Sung Wu,

Thank You for your kind words and your
understanding. As I stated previously it
is appreciated.

You may be interested to learn that according
to the ABC, Sydney Morning Herald, The Age,
Daily Mercury, Sunshine Coast Daily, Daily Examiner,
just to name a few - the Sydney shooting has now
raised concerns about police lethal force - and
calls for more officer training is being looked at.
This apparently has been on the cards for quite some
time due to the increase of police shootings over
the past years.

Professor in Policing - Michael Kennedy (a policeman
with over 20 years experience) who teaches at Western
Sydney University has made it clear that it is
"time to review police training on the use of deadly
force."

BTW: -The young girl who was shot had Aspergers' Syndrome.
Her family is also calling for a review of police training
on the use of lethal force.

The following link may be of interest:

http://theconversation.com/shoot-to-kill-the-use-of-lethal-force-by-police-in-australia-34578

The link confirms that in reality no police officer
wants to kill another human being and it suggests that
to avoid putting police in this invidious position
perhaps the focus of "post-shooting investigations"
should be not just whether the homicide was justifiable,
but also if the homicide was avoidable.

We're told that "identifying these issues will allow
for the development of best practice and reduce the need
for the use of lethal force by police."

See you on another discussion.

Cheers.

Something that is of great concern to myself and others in the community is police investigating police, in matters involving a critical incident. No matter how transparent or how impartial an investigation appears to be, the fact remains it is police investigating their own. Greens MP David Shoebridge has described the recent McClelland review into the way NSW police conduct investigations into their own as a "whitewash". What is need when it comes to critical incidents is an independent body to investigate to ensure that public confidence is maintained in the integrity of the police force. This would be a benefit to police officers as well.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/review-of-police-investigating-their-own-a-whitewash-says-greens-mp-20140124-31e0x.html