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Government Authority needed; Individuals be permitted to carry a weapon for self protection ?
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Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 4 January 2015 12:25:42 PM
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Foxy,
""The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world and the highest per capita rate of firearm related murder of all developed countries:" Limiting the rates to developed countries is elitist and proves nought. The highest murder rates in the world are in South America where there are some of the most stringent gun laws. Go figure. Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 4 January 2015 12:34:20 PM
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Dear Is Mise,
The relationship between gun legislation, or lack of, and gun violence is important - and as Australia is a developed country it is right and fair to compare it to other developed countries, particularly the US which has the highest gun ownership rate in the world and the highest per capita rate of fire-arm related murders of all developed countries. As far as Latin America goes - that is a totally different scenario. Their weak judicial institutions, criminalised police, a heavy gang presence, drug trafficking, and their organised crime presence makes things difficult. Therefore the relationship between gun legislation and gun violence becomes even murker if another factor is thrown into the mix, that of gun availability. Arms trafficking is a major illicit industry in the region. Trafficking is difficult to control, even with prohibitive gun measures in place. Cheers. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 4 January 2015 1:17:07 PM
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I think the government should have to give all us ex defence force personal our weapons to take home with us when we retire.
That way the most effective weapons would be in the hands of the most useful people. If I'd had my old rocket equipped jet fighter available, I could have resolved that Martin Place siege situation quick time. Hell even a Bren gun would have done. Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 4 January 2015 1:25:12 PM
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Dear Is Mise,
Here's what our former Prime Minister had to say about gun control - concerning both this country and the United States: http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2014/s4151092.htm Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 4 January 2015 1:30:36 PM
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'Gun control' in Australia is very murky swamp indeed.
'Gun control' is an internet site, which unlike any reputable site categorically refuses to divulge any information about itself. Specifically its backers, membership (said to be one or two persons in public employment, with access to a fax and phone) and sources and distribution of funds (it has a begging bowl always out). In fact none of the usual information is available at all. Strangely, it is strictly not open to membership. -Although it seeks to record and use the contact details of any person foolish enough to volunteer the information sought. It is alleged that one of the key few figures, a woman, has been associated with the shadowy Soros Foundation in the US, which in turn is alleged to be provide seed funds for leftist groups to conduct protests in other countries like Australia. What Soros the billionaire currency dealer - who was reputed to have nearly sent the Bank of England broke (risking the small life savings of mums and dads investors) and was convicted of insider trading by France - wants with leftists activists one might only imagine. Some here may be aware that the said gun control 'organisation' (as said already - an impressive title, phone, fax and just a few activists) - recently refused to provide any details to a Senate Committee, where its spokesperson was in complete disarray, with conflicting claims and no evidence to back it up. -Yet the media, especially the taxpayer-funded ($1,4 billion of it!) national broadcaster, are in the habit of quoting gun control 'spokesperson/s' and without inviting any other opinion to balance! Isn't it time the 'fact-checking' ABC asked a few pertinent questions of 'gun control' about itself and its domestic and international links to properly inform the public? It is in the ABC's brief to do so. Australians do not appreciate interference in domestic politics and society by shadowy interests and that would apply to overseas billionaires, if that is occurring. Posted by onthebeach, Sunday, 4 January 2015 1:50:54 PM
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Of course it is quite impossible for a poster who is constantly demanding that Australia be diversified until the 'whites' disappear forever, to accept that the US experience and one could add the experience of other countries, is that the social experiment of endless diversification and multiculturalism being implemented in Australia is fraught with dangers.
That is not to say that all migration is bad. However it would be prudent for the federal government to urgently contract some internationally recognised and independent consultants to conduct a comprehensive audit of immigration policy and administration, and at the same time produce a comprehensive risk analysis of migration.
The public should not be holding out much hope of that, because the urgent review of corruption in the responsible federal department has not eventuated.
Suicide
There is no need to look to US speculative modelling when Australia has the practical record to go by:
first, the Howard-inspired 'gun control' was misconceived and misdirected. Even its supporters cannot show any appreciable effect in reducing crime, especially violent crime; and,
secondly, there is no evidence whatsoever that 'gun control' had any positive effect on the overall number of suicides.
There are programs already existing in Australia, which was one of the first countries to implement a national program. See here,
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/mental-nsps
It is a constant fight to base policy and programs on evidence and to get recognition for the splendid work being done.
All people like Foxy are doing is muddying the waters to serve some undisclosed secondary agenda, personal or political.