Just to add, I am aware that Australia doesn't not have a Bill of Rights and I probably wouldn't support any initiative in that direction given the likely influence of the elites and lobbyists that both sides of the Parliament seem to be captive of.

I am wondering if there was ever anything else that protected our rights (my earlier post refers).

o sung wu,

Thank you for your reply.

I am a layman. My interest here is in government being accountable and getting value for money for the taxes taken from us. Like many I note and abhor political correctness and the continual use of such pretexts as, 'If one child is saved it is worth you losing your rights' - from people who are clueless about what rights are in the first place.

Have a good day and thanks for the thread.

The double negative in my first sentence was accidental.

G'day IS MISE...

Oh that's nice ! A .220Swift, pushing along a 40g, that will move out of the muzzle at 'warp speed' around 4100fps+ - , and stay dead flat all the way to that bad ol' fox ! Even a 50grain ('boaty') will still travel at around 3800fps+ - at the muzzle !

In the mid 1980's I did the FBI Sniper School in the US, and all their factory loads were 'Federal Match' .308calibre, loaded specifically to law enforcement specifications, and NOT available to the general public apparently ? Anyway they insisted on using 168grain HP 'Boat-tail' exclusively, claiming the 'Boaties' gave superb stability during the 'external ballistic' phase !

Interestingly, it was Federal Laboratories who undertook all the Bureau's specialised loads; the likes of 'Hydra shok'; the 'Sabot'; HE's; the 'Bolo' tactical entry stuff, and the famous 'Flechette's', amongst a plethora of other tactical configurations.

As I said once before, concerning your lovely old Ithaca, you've got superb taste there, IS MISE. Not so long ago I had a similar configuration, a Ruger No 1 'Tropical' in .458W, a big game thing. But as a 'paper puncher', I thoroughly enjoyed it. Though that's not to say my right shoulder was all that enthusiastic about it, after 20 or so rounds ?

At $700 is a steal I reckon, particularly as our Dollar is dropping so quickly. I hope you thoroughly enjoy yourself with you very 'Swift' Ruger ! Their revolvers are brilliant too, the 'Security Six' in .357mag, specifically.

OSW: A .220Swift, pushing along a 40g, that will move out of the muzzle at 'warp speed' around 4100fps+ - , and stay dead flat all the way to that bad ol' fox !

Yes, I did notice the heavy barrel on the Varminter. It's the loading leaver that I'm against. Leavers like that tend to get caught in thing when you don't want them to.

In the 60's the Army used the standard .303 with scope for sniper rifles. I do believe some were recalibrated for 7.62 or .308 but weren't a success. I used to go down to the old Rifle Range at Enoggera on the Week end. (Where the main Barracks area is now.) The old blokes shooting there would get Bulls at 1000 yards only using iron sights. I love to see what they could do with all this new stuff, with scopes.

Hi (again) JAYB...

I didn't mind the SLR. I did my recruit training with the .303, and given it's an old rifle, it's legendary I reckon. While it's true the SMLE is totally unsuited for today's soldier, and in todays combat requirements. Nevertheless when the enemy was hit, he was hit, he'd have no doubt about it, at all ?

I believe (what would I know ??) the SLR was designed more for the European type environment, not for jungle. Too heavy, too long, and as you say, too many bits 'n pieces to get entangled in the bush. Again, the 7.62 did hit hard, and the recipient knew he was hit ! Be it the thigh, shoulder, or leg, often proved fatal, particularly in the very hot, extremely steamy, and energy eroding jungle environments ? Where infections generally occurred, often within hours of him being wounded ?

Concerning your obvious attraction to those.....reptiles aka snakes ? Seriously I'm just fearful of them that's all. Nothing rational can be said to ease that fear, when fear prevails completely ! And common sense deserts you entirely ! I know, I'm a classic 'nut case' !

Thanks for your contribution JAYB.

'evening to you JAYB...

Yes I belonged to Hurstville VDC Rifle Club, and we shot at the old but 'fantastic' ANZAC Rifle Range at Liverpool ! On a Saturday afternoon, you'd see many hundreds of shooters on the mound all trying their best to get a 'Possible' or even a double 'Possible' on the second 'Down' ! Those days, late fifties early sixties, you'd shoot two 'downs'. You'd fire two 'sighters' and then your 'Ten business'. On your second 'Down' you'd simply repeat the sequence. The total score, was out of your twenty business shots. They were great days, they really were !

Another thing, in those days on Saturdays, I regularly caught the train from Strathfield Station to Liverpool and return, carrying my rifle and equipment (minus the bolt which was in my bag) quite openly in a normal passenger railway carriage, and most passengers didn't bat an eye ? Imagine seeing someone with a SMLE in full view of the public, on the train, replicating my actions all those years ago ?

Some of the greatest Big Bore shooters in Australia (and Queens Prize Shooters too) would be there every Saturday. The likes of the great Percy PAVEY, Greg? MOTT (I think it was his first name) and Jim SWEET, were brilliant shots, and always prepared to help us young fellows. Great days to be sure !

It's extremely difficult, if not impossible to convert the No1 Mk 3 from .303 to 7.62. What most did, was grab a No 4 and adopt it to take the 7.62, which was a good conversion. Other conversions that worked very well was your old No1 Mk 3 from .303 into 7.7X54 ? In those days the D of D prohibited any member of the public from owning a military .303, unless a registered Big Bore shooter ?

Actually IS MISE would be able to tell you more precisely, as to the correct conversions that are most appropriate to the old .303 into the 7.62's ?

By the way, I still dislike snakes immensely...sorry ? :-)