I must admit there are very few members of the todays judiciary who are worthy of receiving any respect whatsoever. Most are overpaid, underqualified, 'jelly judges' who deserve very little respect at all ! If they were to show some respect to those who've suffered injury in all it's forms, at the hands of some of these low life's, than some respect is perhaps due, otherwise stuff 'e

I'm not getting your point Pesky.

" I did not refer in any way to everyone entering a courtroom having their own interpretations of how to behave. I referred only to the practice of standing when the judge enters, nothing else."

What if someone want's to stand through the whole trial after the Judge says "be seated" or "sit down"? Being told when to sit is no less subjugating than being told when to stand.

These two men were trying to make a point (or pretending) they believe in a Higher Law than the Court and were therefore not recognising the customs or the authority of the judge. I don't have time for petty criminals who are just being jerks and in my opinion that description fits these two idiots. I seriously doubt their religious convictions were that strong given their religious belief hasn't deterred them from a life of crime.

Extrapolating your argument that standing before the judge and saluting an officer are signs of subjugation, then I assume you feel the same about stopping for a red light late at night when there's no other traffic on the road, or obeying the speed limit when it would be safe to drive faster, and/or abiding by any other laws of the country that you feel are silly or controlling.

Are you over thinking things, possibly confusing what many call reasonable behaviour or respect with being subjugated by 'The Man?'

Is there any country in the world where 'subjugation' of the masses isn't occurring?

Yes Hippie, the country of Tokelau where everybody is equal, besides there's not enough Tokelauens to form a mass to subjugate, and the chief is a bloody nice guy who doesn't stand on ceremony. A rather lay back mob those Tokelauens. Can't say the same for the Niuewayens all pomp and ceremony, all 37 of em'. By the way Niue is a super power when compared to Tokelau. Mate, I've shot you down in flames on that one. LOL.

Jayb, you say "unfortunately" nothing can be done about those born in Australia regarding deportation for not standing before a judge. It seems with your use of the word "unfortunately", that you would like to see white, Australian born Australian citizens deported whenever they don't stand when a judge enters any court, if it was legally possible to deport them. If the law in this regard was changed, would you support the deportation of white, Australian born Australian citizens if they don't stand when a judge enters any court they are in? Seems like you'd support that.

CHippie, you're misunderstanding my use of the word subjugation. Subjugation is necessary for any ordered society. When I stop at that red light, I am under subjugation to the law, and rightly so. What would happen if I decided to subjugate the law to my will by driving through all red lights? That's right, likely people will die. So, regarding red lights, I willingly allow myself to be subjugated under the red light laws.

Now, this type of subjugation is TOTALLY different to "symbolic" subjugation, such as standing for a judge. The requirement to stand before a judge has ZERO bearing on your innocence or guilt. It is purely 100% symbolic, it symbolises that you accept your subjugation under the law. It is nothing other than symbolism. China, North Korea and Russia utterly abound with a plethora of this type of legal symbolism, and their citizens are severely punished if they don't comply and practice the symbolism.

So, if someone in Australia refuses to stand for a judge, big bloody deal. This is Australia, not North Korea. Jayb and Kim Jong-Un have a bit in common I'm afraid, as they both love severe punishments for people who don't bow and stand before legal symbolism.

I'm moving to Tokelau.