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Ebola hysteria

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JoM,

"Suse, because war isn't a suicide mission, even really devastating conflicts such as the Russia-Germany war in the 1940's killed about 10% of the combatants, the mortality rate for ebola is over 50%."

That is not an accurate comparison.

To be accurate, one would have to deduce that 50% of those medical workers treating Ebola patients contract the disease.

It is notable that there is a high rate of patient to medical carer transference (especially in the African countries affected in the initial outbreak) - however it's nowhere near 50%.
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 8:46:34 AM
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Poirot,
Military and civil defense commanders have to weigh up the odds of success BEFORE they commit to a course of action, the risk assessment carried out by the Australian government indicates it's too dangerous to order people into Sierra Leone and Guinea.
The obvious point to be taken from events in the U.S.A and Spain is that even first world medical workers are not up to the task of dealing with Ebola and that liberal democracy moves too slowly to protect it's citizens.
Look at North Korea, it sends thousands of people to work on aid and civil engineering projects in Africa and presumably takes in some African tourists and students yet it's the first government to ban non essential travel to the plague zones.
Why? Because the DPRK government is not accountable to "public opinion" so it can act swiftly and sensibly to protect the nation's bio-security.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 9:14:20 AM
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JoM,

Who said anything about "ordering" people to Those countries?

We have people trained who have volunteered their services.

Those instances of Ebola transference in first world facilities occurred when protocols were not strictly adhered to. There are now several cases where, when diagnosed early, medical workers in first world countries have been successfully managed and have made full recoveries.

You appear to realize the significance of this outbreak, yet dismiss the relevance of attacking it at its source.
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 9:45:12 AM
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JoM has no idea what he is talking about.

The Government doesn't give a damn about whether our medical staff will be up for the task or not.
They are only concerned about the cost.

What they don't realise is that the cost of sending volunteers to the African areas affected by Ebola would be nothing compared to the cost of fighting it should it arrive on our shores....and that is only a matter of time.
Posted by Suseonline, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 10:09:22 AM
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Seal the countries & let it run it's course. These people are just out of the trees & are hindering the Health workers with their Local Witchdoctors etc. Something's, with all the best intentions, (someone should just talk to these people) just cannot be fixed.
Posted by Jayb, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 11:22:53 AM
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@Suseonline, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 1:35:05 AM

You say that as a nurse you are not trained 'for that work', yet you imagine that others are and they should have been sent off immediately. On the other hand there are, for example, managers of ICUs in the most prestigious hospitals in Australia and world-wide who have been saying that they are not prepared for Ebola. Specifically some (Australia) have said that yes, they could handle a limited number of influenza patients because that was in their risk planning and they have the gear (not a lot though), but not Ebola. They want the protocols, training and equipment, particularly the correct infection control gowns, masks and so on.

You say you talk with many medical specialists who agree with you on that. B.S.

You go on to declare that it is only meanness over money that prevents the Australian government from sending teams. Tat is an outrageous allegation.

You make it so obvious that you are a political partisan who has not accepted the outcome of the decision arrived at democratically in the last federal election.

Your political partisanship would see Australian medical and other employees directed to go in serious harm's way without the training, supplies and infrastructure to support them, and as the government has said many times, without any prospect of any suspected of contracting the virus being admitted to a proper hospital facility for observation and treatment.

Now I did ask earlier what risk management the government should have in place before sending Australian medical teams. Of course you and others ignore that and for the very obvious reason that you done't care enough and it doesn't suit your political attacks.

The rest of your diatribe was irrelevant.
Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 28 October 2014 1:25:49 PM
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