I have a wonderful idea.

Lets give permission for those members of the AMA, & other loudmouths, who want us to do more about the Ebola outbreak to travel to the site of the problem, & do what ever they want to do, at their own expense of course.

Those who don't want to go, or pay their own way to go, should shut up, as obviously they are only looking for the usual watermelon type point to criticise.

Any who do go should not be allowed to return until the thing has totally worn out. Most Ozzies are not interested in do-gooders bringing the thing back here.

If the 'progressives' are so bad, why is it that the 'non-progressives' have always been prepared the accept the benefits that the 'progressives' have achieved - better wages and conditions, health care etc. ?

To modify a current slogan, 'if you don't love what the 'progessives' have done, go back to the 19th century' - no fair pay, child labour, old age in the poor house etc.

Like other young people who voted for Whitlam in 1972, I had never known anything but conservative government and the social changes he brought were long-overdue.

I have one strong memory of 1972 - my surprise (well, I was young) at the outrage of conservatives at losing. That was my first experience of the sense of entitlement - we conservatives are the rightful people to govern! Some posts above talk about Green, left-wing sense of entitlement - I don't see that at all - entitlement is really something very much of the right-wing ruling class mentality. Labor/progressives never really expect to win elections - probably why, when they do, they try and do to much too fast.

The lesson I take away from the Whitlam era is that it's not good for one side to be in power for too long - when they are inevitably replaced, the newcomers will be keen to get things done fast (because they have no sense of entitlement that they will stay long), but have inadequate experience.

Also interesting that Labor tends to get in when the world economy is on the rocks, and then gets blamed for the result. A similar thing happens with women politicians in Australia - things go bad, so put a women in charge, things don't get better fast, blame the woman.

Hi Hasbeen. You are truly naïve.

If the do-gooders don't go and try to stop it there, it'll come and get you here anyway!

If the do-gooders in MSF had been listened to last March when they begged the WHO to take action, then it wouldn't have got so far already.

PS MSF - Medecin sans frontiers. WHO - Word Health Organisation.

Dear spindoc,

Again with the labels. Do you guys ever come up
with anything original? Accusing us of being against
democracy and capitalism - is ludicrous - considering
the fact that my parents ended up in this country as a
result of their fleeing a totalitarian regime. Also
simply because our views don't happen to agree with yours
doesn't make us anti-democracy or anti-capitalism. We're
anti misinformation, and prefer evidence and facts to
slogans and rhetoric. Therein lies the difference between
us.

A historian can establish that an act took place on a certain
day, but this, by historical standards constitutes only chronology
or "factology." The moment that the historian begins to
look critically at motivation, circumstances, context, or any
other considerations, the product becomes unacceptable for
one or another group of readers. Accusations of "cherry-picking"
abound, or worse - accusations of questionable
sources are raised. People such as yourselves,
who seem to be locked in a mental prison, are not interested in
explanations - to you explanations seem tantamount to excusing.
And of course this leads to the questionable practice of
stereotyping people - as we can see from your posts.

We can also see your reluctance to modify your judgements,
your continued resorting to stereotyping (which encourages
counter-stereotyping) and the result is a total breakdown
in communication.

That's seems to be the norm amongst posters on this forum.
And probably the reason that so many have left. And others
tend to begin to limit their visits.

Hasbeen,

"Any who do go should not be allowed to return until the thing has totally worn out. Most Ozzies are not interested in do-gooders bringing the thing back here."

Lol!....okay, we give in...you take the prize for the most blatant example of ignorance on OLO this year!

Are you really that dumb...or just pulling our leg?

You do realise that virises like Ebola are much better tackled at the source. They are much better tackled when "rich" countries put in the money and effort to eradicate the problem before it spreads.

The reason this got out of hand is that those areas initially affected were way under resourced to confront such a problem...and WHO, which has suffered major budgetary cuts, dragged its heels.

Once it reached urban areas, it was always going to be major threat.

And even at this juncture, you appear to believe that it's "over there" and no threat to western countries.

Naive is too mild a word for your ignorance...although I suspect you're not that "ignorant" - you're just adhering to your usual spiel that anything you disapprove of you can dismiss and it will go away.

Well, it might work with your usual targets...but methinks a virus will just carry on regardless.

Your type would be the first to barricade themselves if it ever does manage to do what it realistically could do....the quintessential evader who chooses to patch his roof once the storm has arrived.

Good luck with that : )

‘morning Foxy,

Excellent, I just knew you would tick all the boxes. What was it I said about struggling with a problem you don’t even see, let alone respond to?

@Foxy : “Accusing us of being against, democracy and capitalism” You see Foxy, you didn’t actually READ my post did you, you just FELT it.

What I said was, “those who inherently do not feel comfortable with capitalism or democracy”. Get it? Facts get turned into emotive rhetoric.

@Foxy; “considering the fact that my parents ended up in this country as a
result of their fleeing a totalitarian regime”.

Love it. So you “ended up in this country”. Oh dear, “ended up”? OK insult accepted, thanks Foxy.

What you really mean was your parents were graciously and openly welcomed to our fine country? In the end it is just rhetoric as there can be no correlation between leaving a totalitarian state to come here and your current politics. Otherwise we wouldn’t have domestic terrorists who were born here after their parents likewise sought refuge from a totalitarian regime would we?

See what I mean about rhetoric? It just collapses when you actually think it through.

As for the “padding” (Unicorns) in the middle, A historian blah blah, chronology blah, or "factology", blah blah, historian looking critically at motivation, circumstances, context, blah blah (pure socialization), people such as yourselves, locked in a mental prison, blah, blah freaking blah.

Foxy, do you ever read what you have written or does the emotion of the moment just spill out onto keyboard?

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