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Ebola.What you are not being told.

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http://www.globalresearch.ca/ebola-outbreak-the-latest-u-s-government-lies/5405584
I have a business associate who is not into conspiracies. His wife contracted Lymes Disease in Sydney a few years ago from a tick. He had to send his wife to Germany to find a cure. The doctors there said that this was a weaponised form of Lymes that had escaped from a Lab. Lyssa Virus spread by bats is another problem here.

Given the statements from people like Maurice Strong the Ex-secretary of the UN that the world's pop must be reduced by 90% and the US has 3 patents on Ebola, what are the chances that this outbreak is intentional ?
Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 6:08:33 AM
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Arjay, I had a conversation with a fellow worker about population growth becoming out of control. She was horrified when I said the solution one day will be some type of human cul.

I'm convinced it will happen one day.
Posted by rehctub, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 7:36:33 AM
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Okay, Arjay...before we become enmeshed in conspiracy theories, I've collected a couple of good articles on this Ebola outbreak.

They are worth reading.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/10/04/how-ebola-sped-out-of-control/

"The virus easily outran the plodding response. The WHO, an arm of the United Nations, is responsible for coordinating international action in a crisis like this, but it has suffered budget cuts, has lost many of its brightest minds and was slow to sound a global alarm on Ebola. Not until Aug. 8, 4 1/2 months into the epidemic, did the organization declare a global emergency. Its Africa office, which oversees the region, initially did not welcome a robust role by the CDC in the response to the outbreak."

This one is an interview with the man who discovered the virus.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/04/ebola-zaire-peter-piot-outbreak?CMP=twt_gu

"There is actually a well-established procedure for curtailing Ebola outbreaks: isolating those infected and closely monitoring those who had contact with them. How could a catastrophe such as the one we are now seeing even happen?

I think it is what people call a perfect storm: when every individual circumstance is a bit worse than normal and they then combine to create a disaster. And with this epidemic there were many factors that were disadvantageous from the very beginning. Some of the countries involved were just emerging from terrible civil wars, many of their doctors had fled and their healthcare systems had collapsed. In all of Liberia, for example, there were only 51 doctors in 2010, and many of them have since died of Ebola."

Many other factors contributed to this outbreak being so much worse than others.

One of them is that man, as clever as he is, is no match for nature when it takes its gloves off.
Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 8:02:20 AM
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People in the US are rightfully furious that US citizens were taken from Liberia to be treated in the USA when treatments could have been done there. Now there are outbreaks in the USA.

I wonder how on the ball our authorities are,given that this strain mutates rapidly. It may already be airborne.
Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 8:38:56 AM
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I suggest you read the book "The Hot Zone". It explains how they still do not know how these viruses infect us. It also says the Marburg virus went pneumonic in an ape rearing house in Washington DC some years ago. The apes died and it did not affect the humans there.
Seems like there is nothing like crying wolf here
Posted by JBowyer, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 10:00:42 AM
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Arjay, you'll need to gather some actual genuine, admissable "evidence" for your conspiracy theory. Mere opinion doesn't cut it.
Posted by May May, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 11:49:16 AM
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Yes, the website is THE ONION but even though its satire, there is some truth in it.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/experts-ebola-vaccine-at-least-50-white-people-awa,36580/
Posted by nowhereman, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 1:14:49 PM
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Ebola would make a pretty crappy bio weapon and it's not even going to make a dent in the African population because if it's not happening already the locals are going to start murdering and burning the corpses of anyone who looks remotely sniffly.
Monrovia is like an episode of The Walking Dead on a good day, we don't need to use much of our imagination to get an idea of what a panicked Liberian populace would look like.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 2:56:40 PM
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Jbowyer,
You understand that The Hot Zone is a novel right? It's fiction, like Schindler's Ark and Roots.
This reliance upon fiction as educational material is a big problem, it's made so called "educated" people a liability when it comes to facing real world problems, this is why we have all these superficially plausible "conspiracy" theories flying around with the support of "educated individuals".
Ebola has emerged due to poor hygene and food handling practices in West Africa, the most plausible explanation is that it's spread by bats and primates and has entered the human population via the consumption of the meat of wild animals.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 3:15:38 PM
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Jay of Melbourne, wrong! It is not a novel at best you are confused, at worst just being a prick. I suggest you start learning more and writing less.
Posted by JBowyer, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 5:30:44 PM
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Jay of Melbourne you just annoyed me then but you have to expect this sort of retort when you are being smart. They do not KNOW how people get these viruses. If you read The Hot Zone you would see that the US Army team spent six months trying to find the virus in a large African cave without success. Two people got ebola after visiting the cave so read again buddy!
Posted by JBowyer, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 5:34:14 PM
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Ebola is a weapon of war created in the Belgium Congo by the West many year ago along with HIV and other nerve agents.
It was thought then that having such weapons would be a good deterrent but then they never counted on the escape factor did they.
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 11:58:21 PM
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Good grief, Arjay is at it again. But he forgot the best bits:

http://www.liberianobserver.com/security/ebola-aids-manufactured-western-pharmaceuticals-us-dod

The reality is much more mundane. Ebola is a virus with a reservoir in fruit bats http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7068/abs/438575a.html and http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/196/Supplement_2/S176.long

When humans come into contact with the bodily fluids of infected fruit bats, usually through handling them for consumption, they can be infected http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/vbz.2008.0167

The problem with Ebola is not so much that it is highly infectious, but that the mortality rate is so high and there are no effective prophylactic treatments. PPE and isolation of sufferers is the only known effective method of dealing with the virus.
Posted by Agronomist, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 8:04:08 AM
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Jbowyer.
I've read The Hot Zone, it's a science fiction/disaster novel like The Camp Of The Saints by Jean Raspail or The Drought by J.G.Ballard, the post above has the correct information.
I know why for some people the poor food handling practices on the part of Africans and a lazy reliance on hunting rather than farming meat is so hard to understand, it's because fiction has replaced journalism in order to maintain the narrative of "equality", even White supremacy in the case of the bio weapons conspiracy theories.
Africans are suffering these outbreaks because they're too stupid to avoid them, the median IQ in sub Saharan Africa is about 70 compared to 100 in Asia and the West, this is why they eat food and drink water contaminated by bat guano and keep monkeys as pets. Nothing anyone says about hygene will sink in because the population is made up of people who would be classified as mentally retarded in the West and even the educated Africans still fall for this stupid White supremacist garbage about bio weapons and de-population agendas.
http://www.liberianobserver.com/security/ebola-aids-manufactured-western-pharmaceuticals-us-dod
"Dr. Broderick is a former professor of Plant Pathology at the University of Liberia’s College of Agriculture and Forestry. He is also the former Observer Farmer in the 1980s. It was from this column in our newspaper, the Daily Observer, that Firestone spotted him and offered him the position of Director of Research in the late 1980s. In addition, he is a scientist, who has taught for many years at the Agricultural College of the University of Delaware."
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 10:59:00 AM
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Arjay is always fond of a good conspiracy theory.

Firstly when a disease is weaponized, it is produced in a form that is easier to store, and disperse. The very fact that Lyme disease was caught from a tick makes the suggestion that this was weaponized somewhat fanciful.

As for the proposal that Ebola can be transmitted by air, the reality is that all diseases can be spread without direct contact if someone say sneezes into your mouth. However, only a few viruses can exist for an extended period outside the body such as influenza. The rest including HIV and Ebola die very quickly if exposed to air and as a result airborne infection from a patient further than a few meters away is extremely unlikely.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 11:55:02 AM
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Jay of Melbourne you have obviously not read "The Hot Zone" and all this racist bluff and bluster will not cover that up.
I have you marked as a liar and a cheat from now on.
Posted by JBowyer, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 12:18:26 PM
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Jbowyer,
It's a novel, it's billed as a "terrifying true story" but it's like Schindlers' Ark, it's not literally "true", the author has created scenarios and dialogue to embellish his story.
Racist? Facts can't be racist, if this nonsense about the U.S military and Ebola isn't an example of a White supremacist conspiracy theory I don't know what is.
Simple minded people can't think their way through these issues so they come up with simple minded theories about evil Whitey trying to wipe out all the poor brown people. Another example was the rumour that the government had blown up the levees surrounding the black ghettos in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina and that they'd "abandoned" the people because of their race.
The truth was that their corrupt,incompetent Black city council led by mayor Ray Nagan (who is now in jail) failed their citizens, they left all the city buses sitting at their depots instead of committing them to the evacuation and to make matters worse his mostly Black Police force fell apart and in some cases joined the other blacks who'd stayed behind to loot.
Ebola is spreading because of African incompetence and their lack of any ability to project their mind into the future and predict the consequences of their actions ie, don't eat half raw bush meat, wash your hands, listen to public officials who are much smarter than you etc.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 5:06:24 PM
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Jay of melbourne, stop the bluster! You are wrong. Firstly they do not know how someone gets the virus.
Give up on the other rubbish and stay on topic.
Yes the African do not have our facilities but give them a break for goodness sake. We are very good at panic in the west but let's see what happens eh? As for Public Officials who are much smarter? Wow that I have got to see.
Posted by JBowyer, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 6:38:26 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyWW-9UyWYs Robert David Steele is a very intelligent ex CIA agent. He predicted last month that a new false flag Ebola event would come to the USA. Obama could use this scare to bring in martial law.

The US $ is going down and this will happen in conjunction with the collapse of the share market. As Alex Jones notes here the Military in the USA now has 90% awareness of the 911 false flag and the criminality of the Central Bankers.

I think it is unlikely that Ebola will affect a country that has good nutrition and medical facilities but the elites will use this to take away more of our rights like George Brandis is currently doing.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 9 October 2014 6:03:40 AM
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Robert David Steele is predicting everything is a false flag operation. He has yet to be proven right once.
Posted by Agronomist, Thursday, 9 October 2014 5:08:06 PM
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Agronomist a pathetic retort. Your emperor has no clothes.
Posted by Arjay, Thursday, 9 October 2014 7:46:59 PM
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I will let the readers make up their own mind about Robert David Steele and his claims of false flags. In this one interview, http://www.thedailybell.com/exclusive-interviews/35433/Anthony-Wile-Former-CIA-Spy-Robert-Steele-Wants-to-Strangle-Leviathan-With-Open-Source-Governance/ Steele claims the following are false flag operations:

9/11 – Untrue
Sandy Hook shooting – Untrue
Boston marathon bombing – Untrue
Assassination of President John Kennedy – Untrue
Assassination of Martin Luther King – Untrue
Posted by Agronomist, Friday, 10 October 2014 8:11:52 AM
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Please, Agronomist, try not to confuse Arjay with facts.

>>Steele claims the following are false flag operations etc etc...<<

Facts are an entirely alien concept to Arjay. As a glance through his six thousand conspiracy-soaked posts on this forum will quickly reveal.

Every so often I wonder how many other forums he graces with the wisdom he has acquired from the paranoid corners of the internet that he inhabits. At which point I employ a stylish combination of the Gallic shrug and the hipster facepalm.

That I plan to patent at some stage...
Posted by Pericles, Friday, 10 October 2014 8:53:48 AM
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Connecticut declared a state of emergency without one case of Ebola. http://yournewswire.com/connecticut-declared-in-state-of-public-health-emergency-prepares-for-quarantine/
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 10 October 2014 5:07:50 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO0-u900OG4 George Carlin sums it up." Powerful people might get together and have a plan." No we are cooks or a conspiracy buffs.

Many more people now know that 911 was an inside Govt job.http://www.ae911truth.org/ As Alex Jones notes 90% of the US Military now know the treachery of what's happening. We here in Aust are far more ignorant since it is the pain that makes people ask the delving questions.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 10 October 2014 6:07:38 PM
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http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/ebola-victims-without-symptoms-could-still-be-contagious/
Dr Paul Craig Roberts is the ex assistant secretary to the US Treasury. Take heed ignorant Pericles.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/10/09/us-sanctions-russia-ebola-paul-craig-roberts/
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 10 October 2014 6:31:43 PM
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Connecticut has simply enacted powers allowing the quarantining of any potential ebola patients. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/10/07/connecticut-health-department-gets-power-to-quarantine-possible-ebola-victims/

Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during the Reagan administration and was partially responsible for Reagonomics. Why on Earth should we listen to him about ebola?
Posted by Agronomist, Friday, 10 October 2014 8:32:55 PM
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Agronomist. DR PCR has access to far more intelligence than you and I dare say far more integrity.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 11 October 2014 6:43:43 AM
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http://rt.com/news/194256-global-ebola-outbreak-death-toll/ WHO has noted approx. 8500 cases of Ebola with a 50% kill rate. In March this year the first case of Ebola was recorded.

This is growing faster than exponential growth. 2 to the power of 7 months is only 128.This has to be multiple sources.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 11 October 2014 6:59:57 AM
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Arjay,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/10/04/how-ebola-sped-out-of-control/

I think you'll find that the causes of it gaining such a foothold are far more basic.

"The epidemic has exposed a disconnect between the aspirations of global health officials and the reality of infectious disease control. Officials hold faraway strategy sessions about fighting emerging diseases and bioterrorism even as front-line doctors and nurses don't have enough latex gloves, protective gowns, rehydrating fluid or workers to carry bodies to the morgue."

"West Africa was ill-equipped for an Ebola disaster because civil war and chronic poverty had undermined local health systems and there were few doctors and nurses. Health workers in the region had never experienced an Ebola outbreak and didn't know what they were seeing in those first critical months. In the spring the outbreak seemed to fade, making officials overconfident. And then the virus made the leap from rural villages to crowded cities.

Local customs in handling the dead led to further infections. Some West Africans believe that the day you die is one of the most important days of your life. The final farewell can be a hands-on, affectionate ritual in which the body is washed and dressed, and in some villages carried through the community, where friends and relatives will share a favorite beverage by putting the cup to the lips of the deceased before taking a drink."

"And finally, the virus itself played a critical role in accelerating the crisis. Ebola, although not nearly as contagious as some viruses, is unusually lethal and commensurately terrifying. Many foreign health workers and volunteers fled the region, and few people rushed in to take their place."

"The virus easily outran the plodding response. The WHO, an arm of the United Nations, is responsible for coordinating international action in a crisis like this, but it has suffered budget cuts, has lost many of its brightest minds and was slow to sound a global alarm on Ebola. Not until Aug. 8, 4 1/2 months into the epidemic, did the organization declare a global emergency...."
Posted by Poirot, Saturday, 11 October 2014 7:14:22 AM
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At least I will tell of my response to Ebola virus.

Once Ebola gets anywhere near my region of living, I will not going out in public anymore, except to a an uncrowded market to buy bulk food.
Even then I will not get close to a car in front for fear of a cough or spit coming through my air vent and face mask.

I will not be drinking coffee or buying a new motor car or even petrol or air tickets to travel. In no way will I be going to or touching any public surface especially in restaurants, coffee shops, retail stores.

I think once Ebola is around there will be a massive downturn in business worldwide. How stupid it is to focus on war and not thoroughly on Ebola.

Ebola could kill 50 percent of any nation's population. You or me?

As for conspiracy mongers, why would anyone conspire to create Ebola to destroy consumers that are needed and wanted to generate employment, business and wealth?
Posted by JF Aus, Saturday, 11 October 2014 7:15:26 AM
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Arjay >> In March this year the first case of Ebola was recorded. <<

Just to set the record straight, from the WHO website -

Ebola virus disease (EVD) first appeared in 1976 in 2 simultaneous outbreaks, one in Nzara, Sudan, and the other in Yambuku, Democratic Republic of Congo. The latter occurred in a village near the Ebola River, from which the disease takes its name.

The current outbreak in west Africa, (first cases notified in March 2014), is the largest and most complex Ebola outbreak since the Ebola virus was first discovered in 1976.
Posted by ConservativeHippie, Saturday, 11 October 2014 7:18:25 AM
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Conhippie, the 1976 Ebola fizzled out and is not the same strain as today. This is by far the biggest outbreak and officials are dragging their feet. There is dispute over whether this new strain is airborne. Better err on the side of caution.

Just 200 cases here will cause massive panic and a huge economic downturn. Many people will not be able to service their mortgages or put food on the table. It is not the fire in the picture theatre which kills the most. It is the panic for the doors.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 11 October 2014 10:25:15 AM
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The Zaire Ebola virus is not new. It is the same as the 1976 outbreak. There is do dispute over it being transmitted it the air. It cannot be. It can only be transmitted through bodily fluids.
Posted by Agronomist, Saturday, 11 October 2014 9:42:49 PM
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Agro, you need to do more research. In Democratic Rep of the Congo Drs confirm a new strain of Ebola.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/ebola/11054534/DR-Congo-confirms-first-Ebola-cases-in-new-strain-of-killer-virus.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/ebola-virus-west-africa-new-strain-scientists-say-n82461
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 12 October 2014 7:09:58 AM
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Bill gates says populations must decreased and new vaccines can reduce pop by 10-15 % http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gROhNaJoGzI

He says CO2 must be reduced to zero and thus populations must do likewise. The Gates Foundation in right into vaccine production.

Why does the Centre for Disease Control hold patents on Ebola ?
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/09/17/the-cdc-nih-bill-gates-own-the-patents-on-existing-ebola-related-vaccines-mandatory-vaccinations-are-near/
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 12 October 2014 8:01:12 AM
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Bill Gates said upgrade to Windows 8 but that caused my Vista to crash forever and lose 6 months of research.

Bill Gates has been brainwashed with incomplete science about CO2, and most likely he has not considered impact on climate from all the plant matter in oceans and lakes of the world. So his relevant view may not be correct.

Bill Gates would do well to consider helping to develop a worldwide water ecosystem rehabilitation industry to generate business and billions of jobs with $100 a day take home pay, an industry repairing the planet so as sustain 7 billion and help prevent sickness and disease.

Good on Bill Gates and America and all others helping to develop vaccine and other technology to make the world a better place.

What we are however missing is the information part of I&T, true journalism and editorial management of the kind to truthfully tell us what we all have a right to be told.
Posted by JF Aus, Sunday, 12 October 2014 8:41:00 AM
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JF Aust note the Bill Gates video. How is he going to reduce world pop using vaccines? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gROhNaJoGzI Was this a slip of the tongue? Vaccines are supposed to help people not kill them.

Stories you you don't see on MSM
http://nsnbc.me/2013/05/08/bill-gates-polio-vaccine-program-caused-47500-cases-of-paralysis-death/
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 12 October 2014 10:29:43 AM
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Arjay, that first link video is edited to suit the anti Agenda 21 spin doctors.
Why would Bill Gates want to reduce to world population and in doing reduce computer sales?

In that other link the author associates Monsanto to 250,000 suicides among India's farmers with massive debt.
Lending money to people who most probably cannot repay is a recipe for stress.

Debt is a leading cause of stress and suicide among people all over the word, including among farmers and other debt-trapped people in Australia.

It seems sinking the pound and floating the dollar plus a low interest rate to suck people into borrowing, and then increasing interest plus recession, leads to serious stress for many people.
It also makes big business for lawyers, similar to good rain making a good crop.
We are not told or educated about the various and serious consequences of debt.
Nothing to do with Monsanto.

I think it's not just a matter of what we are not being told, it's also a matter of the spin and lies and bull$hit we ARE being told.
It's what is being put in front of us.
For example, the spin using Bill Gates to get our attention to oppose Agenda 21.

There used to be a time when media would investigate and expose the spin, the fraud and the dangers.
Readers and viewers would follow issues and buy papers and watch key programs.
But now it seems media is into spin doctoring, spin and emissions trading non-sense for example, nonsense that coincides with newspaper sale and tv rating unprecedented downturn.
I for one stopped buying and watching on account of such failure to provide genuine and sensible news.

A car accident or fire takes up space for what should be told.
Posted by JF Aus, Sunday, 12 October 2014 3:06:01 PM
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CNN caught faking Ebola scenes in Africa. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZonCVRQ-2s
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 12 October 2014 6:57:12 PM
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Arjay, I have a green T shirt, does that mean I am part of some crazy person's claim Ebola is a scam?
I think that youtube video is garbage like the mouth and dwindling brain cells of the speaker.
Posted by JF Aus, Sunday, 12 October 2014 7:51:35 PM
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It's hard to believe airlines are still being allowed to operate into and out of Ebola hot spot countries.
If travellers had to go by ship there would be more time for Ebola incubation to pass and so symptoms would be more obvious.
The screening is an absolute farce.
Even community journalists are coming in contact doing interviews.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29587803
Posted by JF Aus, Sunday, 12 October 2014 10:44:25 PM
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JF the Green shirts have nothing to do with it. See the scene of the little naked boy who is 100% healthy and lies down for the photo opportunity. Why would they fake it when there are plenty of real victims?
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 13 October 2014 1:10:27 AM
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Arjay, the speaker puts great emphasis on green. Look and listen again.

The boy may not be 100% healthy as you say. He may have come to the hospital/clinic for treatment and was maybe told to lie down and not come closer.
Alternately the boy may have seen the sick man lying down, so the little-bit sick boy does the same.
The boy is probably illiterate and thinks lying on the ground outside the hospital is the thing to do.

Arjay, do you really think the boy is an actor? If he is sick with initial Ebola sickness, what do you think he should look like and what should he be doing?

The speaker is a disgusting piece of work, sneering and laughing at sick people.

It can be seen the man on the ground has at some time lost control of his bladder and possibly his bowel, because what the speaker claims is dirt is actually wet through clothing with some muddy dirt.

Sickness often comes in spasms so the man could feel momentarily better and sits up briefly, we all experience that.

Is the speaker a doctor? What does the speaker expect Ebola makes people do and look like?
Does he expect people with Ebola stand on their heads and have orange 3-D eyeballs turned inside out?

Watch the speakers mouse pointer darting quickly and uselessly around the upper screen, and the expletives on video, he is on something for sure.

I am staring to see how good it is that we have editors that sort through such dreamed up paranoia and conspiracy garbage.
Posted by JF Aus, Monday, 13 October 2014 7:03:34 AM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/11/world/africa/officials-admit-a-defeat-by-ebola-in-sierra-leone.html?_r=0

Sounds to me like the whole thing is out of control.
Posted by Yabby, Monday, 13 October 2014 2:24:59 PM
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Yabby,

That "is" admitting defeat!

We know how easy it appears for this virus to be spread, even in first world medical facilities adhering to advanced protocols.

By allowing families to provide care, the authorities in Sierra Leone are sanctioning an uncontrollable spread of this virus.

The first world better get to it, or we'll see a monster pandemic.

Probably too late now anyway.
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 13 October 2014 3:46:46 PM
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Poirot, I agree with you. If they are giving people Tylonelol to deal with it, we are in deep deep doo doo.
Posted by Yabby, Monday, 13 October 2014 4:21:53 PM
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Poirot I think you will find in East Africa where the virus started out the locals are the best care. They voluntarily quarantine their village and ensure it does not get out and accept the losses.
I think there is a fair amount of hysteria about this rare virus which is similar to our Hendra virus.
The Doctors still do not know how the infection start and we should assist the Africans where we can but Africa can afford to lose a few thousand people to Ebola as they lose vastly more people to the mundane diseases of man.
Posted by JBowyer, Monday, 13 October 2014 5:13:02 PM
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Bob Katter reckons our Govt is asleep on the Ebola issue and I agree. Perhaps they want a crisis so more oppressive laws can be brought in to silence us.

I have nothing but contempt and distain for both sides of Parliament and the Greens. They have sold us all down the toilet and continue to do it with impunity.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 13 October 2014 5:51:23 PM
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I am beginning to think Ebola or a virus like it, may have been what wiped out some of the ancient city populations. The Easter Island population too.

Tight now they know Ebola can kill about helf the people it hits.
That is on the first round.
What about if/when it hits again, like next season similar to flu outbreaks?
Maybe Ebola can kill almost everybody. Or everybody.

Clearly, all nations would do best to unite as a team to stop terrorism immediately and concentrate absolutely on overcoming or controlling Ebola worldwide
Posted by JF Aus, Monday, 13 October 2014 6:15:00 PM
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JBowyer,

I believe the problem intensified once the virus hit the cities.

Obviously, once that happens - it all happens.
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 13 October 2014 6:22:56 PM
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I think Ebola is just a variation of the Bubonic Plague. There is no doubt they have been weaponising all sorts of diseases and letting a few escape to see the results.

Even if it does not kill that many people,the panic will drive down our economy to kill many more. If the media hypes this up, then we will know what the intent is.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 13 October 2014 6:30:10 PM
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Ebola is a virus. Bubonic plague is caused by a bacterium. They are not the least similar.

It would not really be possible to weaponise Ebola as it won't survive outside a body for long and firing fruit bats as a way of spreading the disease would be impractical.
Posted by Agronomist, Monday, 13 October 2014 7:00:32 PM
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JF sorry but once you are exposed and not killed you invariably have immunity from then on. Easter Island was wiped out by the people using up all their resources. It is just another disease virus. No brains, no limbs and if they kill their host they also die. Viruses do not have any capacity to hate us or even kill us and it is very much in their own interest they do not kill us. Take it easy stuff like this as been around before we started walking the Earth.
Posted by JBowyer, Monday, 13 October 2014 7:04:14 PM
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Agronomist,

"It would not really be possible to weaponise Ebola as it won't survive outside a body for long and firing fruit bats as a way of spreading the disease would be impractical."

Lol!
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 13 October 2014 7:04:23 PM
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Here you will see a press conference in Texas. This is the 2nd heath worker in the US who get Ebola wearing a full hazmat suit. This conference does not inspire trust in our health officials.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpZEhUMHO2A

Ebola must be very contagious if it can circumvent these medical protocols. Currently they say it is doubling every month.2 to the power of 12 is 4000 but in 7 mths they have 8000 victims. 2 to the power of 24 = 17 million. 2 to the power of 30 = over one billion victims.

The time to act is now.
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 13 October 2014 7:24:17 PM
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Poirot,
What about suicide bombers? Are they not "weaponized"?
It would be a simple task for a suicide mission participant to become infected on purpose and then travel quickly to avoid temperature checks at airports.

Arjay,
I think those Texas health workers have been just using masks. In Africa some health workers look like they are using eye hazard protection used for grinding metal.

How absurd to be breathing the same air.

All involved should be using compressed air or quality re-breather gear like that used by divers
Posted by JF Aus, Monday, 13 October 2014 7:47:28 PM
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There is only one medical staff member of Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital with suspected Ebola, not two.

The nurse was not wearing a full "hazmat suit", but "a gown, gloves, mask and a shield". http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/12/health/ebola/index.html

The suspicion is that a failure of protocol led to the infection. It could be something as simple as the way the nurse took off the protective equipment.

Nurses because of their close contact with symptomatic patients will be at high risk. However, they are also monitored carefully and so the disease will be identified early and their chances of survival will be much better.
Posted by Agronomist, Monday, 13 October 2014 7:52:53 PM
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AGRO THIS IS THE 2ND Medical worker in the USA not just Texas. We have one in Aust.

JF Aust they say Ebola cannot be caught by air and there must be transmission via bodily fluids. So why wear any protection ? Sounds like lies and disinfo to me. All the scenes on our media have staff wearing full hazmat suits. I don't know about separate air supplies. They would not need separate air if the filters have sufficient micron exclusion potential.

Remember Rahm Emmauel who said after 911,"You never want a serious crisis go to waste."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 13 October 2014 8:22:54 PM
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Dave Hodges agrees with you JF Aust.
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/10/12/ebola-protective-gear-inadequate-medical-staff-in-usa-and-spain-infected-while-wearing-isolation-gear/
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 13 October 2014 8:39:35 PM
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http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/10/12/ebola-safety-protocol-appears-defective-paul-craig-roberts/

So why are our authorities so apathetic on Ebola which is far more dangerous than any terrorist ?
Posted by Arjay, Monday, 13 October 2014 10:06:13 PM
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Engineers have built us an amazing world in many ways but they too are often handicapped by backward or slow thinking authorities. Investigative quality news reporting has been cut to the bone.
And just look at how politics and bigotry or whatever is stopping news that warmth in ocean plant matter has not been included in AGW - IPCC science and modelling, and how that is being gagged, not being told.
Often the ball is not passed quickly enough, greed, ego.
And now ISIS is taking up quality time and budget resources, ABC quality news resources included.
Unjustifiable accusation in cheap blabby news is right now "shirt-fronting" G20 leader debate about solutions to world economic problems and peace.

Thinking about Ebola should surely include that Ebola has flu like symptoms, and that flu is airborne.

Can a dust filter hold back all virus? Many masks leak at the edges, even diving masks.

Anyway, I think it extraordinary health workers are breathing the same air that has already been breathed and exhaled by someone suffering a deadly and highly transmittable disease such as Ebola.
Posted by JF Aus, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 7:07:07 AM
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Have you seen what they are coming up with now?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/14/charles-hurt-fight-the-spread-of-ebola-by-wiping-o/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

I have no idea if I should laugh at this or better cry scared. I mean, are they serious? They know what DDT is, right?

http://www.scienceclarified.com/Co-Di/DDT-dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane.html
http://www.scienceheroes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=309&Itemid=263

It's like fight fire with fire! Or worse...
Posted by The_Bug, Wednesday, 15 October 2014 9:01:45 PM
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