Dear May,

<<No gods exist.>>

Indeed, and I thank God for that morning and evening.

How awful and distasteful would it be to worship a god that exists?

No gods/god exist. That's factual reality.

May May,

Proof?

Dear May,

<<No gods/god exist. That's factual reality.>>

OK, OK, and the sun rises in the east and sets in the west - so what?
There are no implications, no obvious connection with the topic and this was already clear from your previous post - are you trying to say something, or just to make us spend our OLO posting-quota?

ConservativeHippie, thanks for the clarification: you are not suggesting all Australians read the Koran, just those who support giving asylum to religiously persecuted refugees and those worried about human rights abuses.

I was a little surprised by your portraying Christianity as including women clerics: I thought that was confined to only some sects (not the Catholic Church for example). My understanding was that there are also followers of Islam who accept female religious leaders.

Also I thought charity was one of the central pillars of Islam and the full formal name of the "Red Cross" is now the "International Red Cross and Red Crescent", including Islam and with the "Red Crystal" symbol added for the followers of no religion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Red_Cross_and_Red_Crescent_Movement

While this discussion has been interesting, I don't see it is relevant to Australian domestic or international security policy. I suggest we judge nations, and people, on their actions, not on a religion they claim to follow. As JFK said, we should "... support any friend, oppose any foe ...".

Is Mise, you asked "proof?". It's an empirical impossibility to "prove" any negative. For example, it's impossible for science to empirically "prove" that a two headed, invisible, undetectable, supernatural, floating Pink Fairy doesn't live in my garden.

Yuyutsu, on the contrary "no gods exist" has EVERYTHING to do with the subject matter. If the world recognised the factual reality of "no gods exist" then the Bible and Qur'an wouldn't exist. That means throughout history there would have been a quantum reduction in wars, torture, invasions, killings, domination, sexism, squabbling and fear. Ancient, superstitious religions have a LOT of "history" regarding these things. Yes, without religions all those things would still remain in the world, but at a lower level. And the necessity for this thread specifically about the Qur'an, wouldn't exist. Therefore "no gods exist" is highly relevant to this topic.