Paul,
There's no such thing as a conservative in Australian politics, you're simply using the term as a pejorative to indicate your disapproval of one particular faction.
I'm on solid ground with my characterisation of Abbott as "progressive", if the Greens and Labor are progressive then so are the coalition because they all promote exactly the same world view, Liberal Internationalism and Zionism.

Jay,

The left whingers calling themselves progressive is one of the greatest oxymorons of the present day, as they (especially the greens) are against any form of industry, nuclear energy, GM food, with the exception of wind and solar farms (as long as you don't put them anywhere). They are also for censorship of anything that they deem is not politically correct, etc, etc.

Technology has enabled people to create children where they would have previously remained childless through IVF, sperm and egg donations, and surrogacy either with entirely the parents DNA or the surrogates, or all three. While the deeply religious, or simply narrow minded, might choose to address the ethical issues by simply banning everything, and criminalising all that participate, there are alternatives that tick the ethical boxes and benefit all the participants.

In response to Paul1405 - I have never said I consider the mother in Thailand to be a guilty at all in this situation - I question the couple involved from Australia. After all they went to Thailand - and started this whole process. A child of any type needs someone to look after them, and in this case it will be the parent in Thailand - who I have said previously I had given a donation to and their child.

I also went to the website to find out more about the charity in question. They are very committed to the people of Thailand and I have also called for a full investigation into this matter, so people can find out the facts on this matter. Also when I was on their donation page - I read so many passionate comments for the child and their mother - from various people (and saw their photographs - like family photographs), including some who said they couldn't afford a lot of money - but they were still willing to donate - I knew immediately - so many day to day people were supportive. This highlighted my main point here, that factions, extreme left and right wing groups, advocate groups and political parties can't win this case.

We have had investigations into other matters in Australia (via State Coroners) that relate to health for example. They don't keep avoiding important debate (and full details - finding out the truth) on this topic with silly jokes and terms like swallowing chill pills.

I totally agree with Foxy that we need stronger international checks and this can be part of any legislative reform in Australia.

Investigations are easy to suggest.

For a tabloid media that are forever going off half-cocked and encouraging their dumbed-down audiences to suspend their judgement and do the same, the call for investigations and more laws are part of keeping stories fresh (?!). That is much easier than ethical, principled, news reporting that could include investigative reporting.

It is a ridiculous, uninformed, naive view of the world that government (either side of politics) is unaware of and doing nothing about like surrogacy. A simple Google would prove otherwise.

What I wold very much like to see is an uprising of opinion against is the frivolous, sideshow reporting of the media including the similarly flawed 'current affairs' reporting of the taxpayer-funded ABC. 'Informing' the public with facts? Bollocks!

I have always been a supporter of compulsory voting but in recent years my belief in it has been shaken considerably.

Beach, your off with the Pixie's once more.

Jay, I wondered how long before you would make a disparaging mention of the "Jews". You do a very good job on the forum of disguising your rabid right wing agenda. You are intelligent I'll give you that, but now and then you can't help but let the "hate" slip out.

Nathan, good post I can only agree.

Paul,
Zionist non Jews probably outnumber Zionist Jews by a thousand to one, if not more, you forget that Christian and Jewish religious prophecy are entwined to the point of being inseparable in the West.
John Howard:
"The personal affection I have for the State of Israel, the personal regard I have for the Jewish people of the world, will never be diminished. It is something I hold dearly, something I value as part of my being and as part of what I have tried to do with my life."

Given that Abbott is Howard Mk 2 you may also remember John Howard's association with the Plymouth Brethren? What's the status of that cosy little arrangement in 2014?
You can do some reading up on the subject of Christian Zionism and get back to me OK?