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Beyond Blue Anti Racism campaign

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Otb, I know nothing of the Gatestone institute, so why would I disparage it? I didn't. I told you about this particular author and this particular article.

In fact, I am interested in reading other articles from this institute now I know about it.

Does that mean that when, no matter how eminent someone may be, I, or any other reader, cannot question or further investigate what somebody has written?

As for English articles, on occasion I try to find some, because I want to back up my research, but as I said before, a lot of research on policy and community are for local consumption in the Netherlands. Can be frustrating when I try to find an authority in English on say voluntary euthanasia, policy and experience on illegal drug use, or even prisons.

I gave the link, because I'm often surprised by how many fellow Australians either know Dutch or know somebody who does. Just in case you did too. Just because something is not translated into English doesn't actually make any authority 'worthless'. Especially when the language is that of the country referred to.
Posted by yvonne, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 4:08:13 PM
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yvonne,

Your comment in the other thread did seem disparaging:
Yvonne,"The link you posted is a complete fabrication creatively using a few facts"

I will not respond to the Strawman in your reply.
Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 4:47:04 PM
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No Otb. I did NOT say anything whatsoever about the Gatestone Institute, which is what you accused me of. I did say something about the ARTICLE and the author. Soeren Kern is not the Gatestone Institute. Or is he?

If you could have accessed the link I posted you would have been able to see where Kern was very loose with his interpretation. I won't say he deliberately lied.

I'm not altogether sure why it bothers you so much when a negative opinion about the Netherlands is countered by someone who has a wider access to information.

If an author, largely ignored in Australia (indeed not even Australian) wrote in a highly regarded Dutch or French language institute an article in Dutch or French about deeply ingrained and endemic misogyny in Australia, do you expect the Dutch or French to just accept that as fact and ignore other information in English from Australia?
Posted by yvonne, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 5:39:58 PM
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Banjo, where does your hate site get its "facts" from. YOU! Where is the AUTHENTICATION! People such as yourself feed of that kind of rubbish web site, they tell you what you want to hear.
How about this, what do you get if you have;

1. A devout Catholic mother
2. Attend a monastic Catholic school
3. Believe in the Bible
4. Believe in the Christian God
5. Say "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior."

No its not Tony Abbott, its Adolf Hitler. LOL
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 8:05:23 PM
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Paul,

Just one of the references from the site that you disparage
came up with this on Google:

"UPDATE 1-Islamic State beheads, crucifies in push for ...
uk.reuters.com/article/.../syria-crisis-east-idUKL6N0QH2JZ20140811
1 day ago - Islamic State tightens control in tribal region* Other rebels, tribes attempt to ... to its control in eastern Syria, crucifying two people and executing 23 others in ... the militants crucified two men for the crime of "dealing with apostates" in the city of Mayadin, and two others were beheaded for blasphemy in the...."

doubtless further inquiries would find other references, try the second one on their list.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 1:47:35 AM
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Is Mise, I am not disputing that there are crazy people in these failed states. I do not think that makes my Muslim neighbor a terrorist. Terrorism comes in many forms, the US response in Iraq and Afghanistan following 9/11 included many acts of terrorism of their own towards innocent people.
The events of today are the result of a long history of instability in these countries, some, but not all, is due to past actions on the part of the developed world. We can't change history; but

Proverb; Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

The world is in a very difficult situation, military intervention has proven not to be the answer. It did not work in Iraq or Afghanistan, Take one look at other Middle Eastern States where there has been recent western involvement, it did not work in any of those places either.
I can't offer an answer, I don't have one. Nor do the politicians.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 7:40:32 AM
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