DavidK it is pretty obvious you are a gravy train rider.

It would appear you are one of a long line of gravy feeders who drew the short straw, & were handed a spanner, with instructions to try to reattach the wheels falling off the train.

I should advise you there is more chance of success with that task with reasoned argument. Appeals to a no longer respected authority just don't work. Of course the reasoned argument is hard to find with global warming in it's now 15Th or so guise of climate disruption. It must be hard arguing in favor of something that stopped happening 17 years ago, & for which the only evidence is in a computer program.

Arrogance also doesn't go very far. If you have any logical argument in favor of your allotted task, trot it out. Failure to do so just labels you as yet another twit, who is desperately trying to keep the cash flow going.

I would suggest you try a new line of work. Garbage truck driving is pretty similar to trying to sell global warming. Don't leave it too late, the lack of sunspots should warn you. They are like the writing on the wall. Ignore them, at your peril.

Perhaps you don't have enough science to know what happened last time the sun spot count dropped this low. If not, I suggest you do a bit of study.

Garbage truck driving?

Genuflect to a self inflicted 'hasbeen'?

Yeah, right.

Logical argument is "trotted" out all the time dear 'hasbeen', you're obviously not going to the right places.

"You will just have to take my word for it."

Well Warmair,
It is an immediate problem because to reley on the unconventionals
such as the tar sands puts you in the situation where as the
conventional oil declines you have to increase the ratio of the mix.
As the conventionals have a price around $40 at the well head and the
unconventionals are around $80 to $90 it means a fairly fast rising
price. However it gets worse because the tight oil declines very fast,
40% to 60% a year.
The ERoEI of the examples you gave are very poor.

I had a look at that link to Queensland you gave.
It is not tar sands but shale oil.
Shale oil is not oil but kerogen which was to be oil that stopped
before the process was completed.
Shell among others have tried to make it work but they gave up
because the energy needed to complete the process was too great.
ERoEI again !

If we get desperate enough we could go down the Toepish Fischer route
ie coal to oil. The Sth Africans have a plant which they built
to bypass the apartheid era bans. Again ERoEI is a problem.

Many suggestions come up like these but there is always a catch22.
What you have to ask yourself is if these schemes are so good why
are they fiddling around up in the artic, digging around in the
Canadian tar sands and drilling at enormous cost miles under the
sea bed and risking all the problems BP had ?

Thank you DavidK, your last post proves my point completely.

You're not quite right there Bazz,

The Rundle oil shale pilot plant proved the deposits & the extraction system was profitable at the time, producing oil to market at $70 a barrel, when the oil price was at $100.

The oil companies refused to buy the oil, & the project failed.

It just disappeared very quietly, with very little reporting.

My guess is that it did not suit the oil companies plans to stop refining in Oz, & the primary interests in the project were bought off to make them go away.

I did not have the time, or capacity to look into it at the time, so did not try to follow what was going on, or why.

The oil is there over a pretty large area. There was a shale project in the area just after WW11. The project engineer in charge of it moved to run the Townsville Hospital project in the late 40s. He lived with us for a few months, while he organized a home for he & his wife.

I remember him holding forth on the subject. He reckoned it was all fully feasible, but was shut down for political reasons.

We do have plentiful oil, but for some reason, the powers don't want to harvest it at the moment. I sometimes wonder why?

Very snotty Hasbeen, typical of someone who thinks they've been there, done that ... delusions of grandeur.

People like you will tell their cardiologist they haven't got a clue either.

Jealousy is a curse with a chip on your shoulder, Hasbeen - you've got it in spades!

Enjoy your opinion while you can.

One thing I have never been Jealous of is an arrogant, opinionated peanut.

Boy was I right when I formed that opinion.