Paleif,
It seems yourself,dickie and myself have a lot in common when it comes to defensless animals, but try as we might, the alzo's and the rojos of this world will unfortunately not go away, this is how they understand the workings of the world, they solidly believe that animals are animals, with no feelings, but what disturbs me is the fact of them being able to understand the term "pecking order" which is as we all know, is relevant to animals. Maybe our alzo's and rojo's are feeling threatened by the way people like you, me and dickie are supporting the rights of animals?
Just a small thought, thats all.
Spanky

Spanky

Humans who gloat over the practice of animal slaughter are generally on the bottom rung of the human pecking order.

I have known some humans who, in their youth, "went bush" to slaughter a few roos and goats. They tell me it pains them greatly when they are reminded of their cruel and inhumane actions of the past.

Unfortunately, those who never elevate from the bottom rung of society, due to a stunted intellect, (affluence is not relevant), prevents them from realising that shooting defenceless animals as a sport or a trade, is a practice they should never brag about.

After all, even a simpleton can kill an animal which has no-where to run!

Spanky

Humans who gloat over the practice of animal slaughter are generally on the bottom rung of the human pecking order.

I have known some humans who, in their youth, "went bush" to slaughter a few roos and goats. They tell me it pains them greatly when they are reminded of their cruel and inhumane actions of the past.

Unfortunately, those who never elevate from the bottom rung of society, due to poor intellect (affluence is not relevant), prevents them from realising that shooting defenceless animals as a sport or a trade, is a practice they should never brag about.

After all, even a simpleton can kill an animal which has no-where to run!

paleif,

It is very hard to take "I dont give a rats arse if the farmers get more money or not." in any other context than what is written. If you don't "really" mean it don't say it.
You say, correctly, that not all farmers are poor. That doesn't make abbatoirs any more financially appealing though. If there is so much money to be made why aren't the extraordinarilly rich people opening up meatworks left right and centre, instead of investing in media and gambling?

You are well aware I support your vision for Australian meatworks, but am opposed to banning live exports. let competition for the animals phase out live exports when more processors develop here. I do not want the farmers to have to subsidise the processing industry through low animal prices.
If animal rights groups wish to pay farmers NOT to raise animals for live export, or for that matter at all, thats ok by me too.

paleif, I only "bag" you when it is required and you will note that I often try and help you. Think of the above quote as a reminder to be careful of what you say however you mean it.

Rojo
The answer to your question is- there are.- Meaning there are plenty making heaps out of meat plants and providing thousands of jobs to keep employment prodived towards a healthy economy.
Just not here- thats all.

Why do you think they take them alive to these other countries . Take it from me Rojo its NOT religon or lack of refrigraition.

James was never interested in his fathers meat trade. Perhaps that is to his credit.
Unlike many I dont see his Dad as An Aussie Hero Rojo in regards to providing jobs at meat plants.
When you take on a mob of blokes in a small country town its important you understand many of those blokes take out bank loans and morgages on homes for their family.
To give blokes work for a few years to ensure supply and contacts in regional areas then shut the plants down re diverting stock to live exports has a serious effect on many familys.

Sure you can write it off as a tax loss and pick up heaps more by playing on the trade market but it doesnt seem right some how.

Its just not right to do that to animals no matter how much more these big players make.
Its not the little farmer who has set up this system and in fact the little farmer is the real victim.

When I said I dont give a rats arse if they make more money or not I was refering to the corp pretend farmers.

Not the real farmers.

Please dont tell me there`s no money in meat. Look at Packer Murdock and many other high flyers.

Better still our true blue small farmers ought to start to think- What type of a hole have they led us into. Rojo yes you have tried to help and made some good points. Your right I ought not have said that. I do care about farmers - just hate the other pretend ones.
Love your comments on Animal groups paying farmers not to send them alive.
As if!. Fund raisers mostly.

spanky,
yes it was a small thought and thats ok. I have to say it's a bit presumptive on your part to assess my feelings toward animals and you are well of the mark. I just don't ascribe to attributing human traits like conscience, ambition, thinking(beyond "I need a drink") and self awareness to animals bred for food.
Pain and "fear" certainly, but anger,hate,envy or love? It is most important to eliminate as much pain as is possible and minimise "fear" . I say "fear" because I don't think animals experience fear in the human sense ie. other than the panic of the moment. They don't have the knowledge to process several steps ahead(knowing that the smell of blood means death) or even that they would be afraid of dying, not to be confused with the will to live. It isn't clear whether they "fear" the final ramp in the abattoir more than the sheepdog during muster. It's not likely the abattoir experience will cause post-stress traumatisation.

The only "threat" posed by animal rights groups is through misinformation and propaganda. Have a logical and factual argument, rather than one based simply on emotion, and you won't have any problems from me.