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Homelessness - Youth, and the Police:

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because/you..can see
http://home.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/anstey%27s%20kingdom%20of%20shylock.html

In days of old.the feudal baronage..sallied forth;AT-WIL.. with sword and spear..to levy toll upon terrorised producers...>>

now blackwater-revenue~RAISERS-STEAL;THE WORKER WAGES

<<robber-barons>>were masters of highways..and waterways,.and in the name of their over-lordship..brutes//using;fear..exacted tribute from the toiling people...They were.the self-evident personification of tyranny.

To rise against them,..destroy them,.escape their vassalage,..was to leave an open road..empty/along...which the products..of free men could pass untolled.>>

now/we tax/THE cAPTIVE-BUSINESS/
GOODS-SERvices-tax[wages as\if income]

we/the\DIS-Organised resentment..GET DECIEVED;BY A NEW-FACE

SAME*old-dis-GRACE..and/FEARS/forelorN-HOPE
ENDs..in trenCHES-FILLED.BY..new-DEAD~kids/bloody victorys..were the sole essentials..for the spontaneous development of..war-industry\war reparations[LOOTING]..in its primitive forms.
..has now become..privatization/

But the days of\primitive industry/and primitive*Radicalism are passing...[LOL][WRITTEn/1 CENTURY-AGO]..

Under the freest political institutions/exist financial oligarchies more rapacious\than the old-time baronies...They bleed,..not with sword nor spear,..but by subtle processes that leave a people impoverished,..they know not how or why.>>

cause/they..'create'..money[in*ANY/AMMOUNT]
GETTING/US-TO..WORK..for fee.

The mechanism of robbery is..[complex and impersonalREAD/SYSTEMISED]...

<<..The operators are out of sight...The public only know them>>
by/name-reputation[READ/PRESS-COB=VERAGE]..as benignant gentry distributing tracts oF charity/by the wayside.

EDITED

We see States and Nation..governed by the machinery of past centuries...[WITH/THE..same~names/..<<We have seen a Labor Government in N.S.W. upholding the absurdity of an Upper Chamber to nullify its own proceedings.]1917]..We have seen Governments of working men upholding.as rigidly as t..he most rabid Tories all the procedures, formalities,..Luminarie...and ceremonies..of obsolete forms of colisation->>

[invader/convict-government.

<<In the midst of a flood tide of economic and scientific pro­gression the legislative and administrative methods of Governments stand petrified in the chamber of dead ages.

edited/<<True freedom consists in a state of mind as well as exterior surroundings. The mind must expand as well as the machinery of production...There is mental slavery as well as physical, and slavery is not abolished because men vote for their own enslavement, contented to be well fed. The Labor policy must be radical in fact as in name. It must go to the root of things or it goes nowhere.

EDITED/<<No skin-plaster legislation, no mere policy of alleviation, will meet the position. Revolution in action and method is the one saving instrumentality, the sole alternative to a long grind­ing period of absolute slavery...[the/living-repaying..DEAD-[FIAT]..DEBT/with their life-blood/sweat[via sin-taxes]

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/enron-2-0-wall-street-wants-manipulate-state-energy-markets-just-like-manipulates-every-market.html
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 10:09:02 AM
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Good afternoon all...

It's indeed a bit unfair of CHRISGAFF1000 ! He managed to get the 'inside track', so to speak ? That is he'd obviously been exposed to the same old 'blurb' as was I, when we're both in the job !

Whereas, never a group to allow a prospect of favourable notoriety slip by, many of our enlightened social guardians determined that it was now time we unshackle our youth, both behaviourally and socially, in order they might better express themselves, in the home, in school and vocationally, then they'd done previously ? So, instead of maintaining normal parental supervision, that little duty shifted quietly across to police, to now act as surrogate parents ?

The concept of a youth being legally permitted to divorce his or her parents (as CHRISGAFF1000 has correctly asserted), is more than likely what's precipitated the burgeoning youth problem we see today. Any parent who lawfully exercises normal parental control over his offspring, can have that responsibility usurped by the youths themselves, by merely failing to acquiesce or concede to any of those controls.

Another favourite reason for divorcing the 'olds', was to lay the blame (wholly) on the 'old man' for daring to place some limits on the domestic behaviour of his adolescent progeny. By (attempting) to regulate their social activities, their language, schoolwork, and their behaviour at home etc. Any or all of these were sufficient triggers for an adolescent to simply walk out and leave.

And by so doing, there now existed a serious vacuum in the young persons lives, where there was nobody responsible for exercising any degree of normal day to day parental supervision.

Thereupon, our learned social demographers could see a serious flaw in their planning, and that would never do ? So they set to work and soon had collaboratively resolved to release our modern mums and dads from their onerous burden of parenting, and in so doing, provisionally nominated police as uncomplaining substitutes ? When you think of it, it's all worked out rather splendidly eh ?
Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 4:57:37 PM
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Hi there ONE UNDER GOD...

Johan, you said in one of your threads that it's not hard for a copper to give a homeless youth a warm bed and hot meal and/or drink; or similar words ?

In the city Johan, it's almost impossible if not impractical for a uniform bloke to extend such humanity to a homeless person, short of a few bob for a coffee, a hamburger, a cigarette or similar.

However, a young person who has been identified, as being exposed to personal or moral danger, like a prepubescent young person for example, you can place them in custody for their own protection, and either take them home, or if inappropriate, place them in an pertinent and relevant young persons shelter.

In country areas the local coppers can sometimes do a little more for itinerant people ? It all comes down to available resources, how busy the shift is, number of members on duty, available cars etc.

Also Johan, you said in one of your earlier threads that you'd like to see the word 'force' removed from the police nomenclature, and substituted with the word 'service' ? Well I believe that's been tried in several States with mixed results ? I heard from a mate in Victoria Police, they're changing their uniforms altogether, giving them a darker, almost black colour and a more authoritarian look about them. Accordingly, the Premier and Commissioner down there, want their police to be more respected, but also feared by the hoodlums ?

My humble opinion Johan, it's not the uniform, it's the man in the uniform that should be respected, all very idealistic, I realize ?
Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 6:06:20 PM
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o;quote..<<..I heard from a mate..in Victoria Police,>>

MY FIRSt friend/is now a cop
i TRIED CONTACT/VIA..facebook\but guess hes read my sheet

<<..they're changing their uniforms altogether, g..iving them a darker,..almost black colour and a more authoritarian look about them.>>

YES BLACK IS TO SYBOLIZE SATURN[SATAN]/THE GOd of death[bUT SYMBOLOGY MEANS NUTHING..RIGHT?

LIKE WHats the idea of them marijuana leaves arropund the police shields?[ITS EVEN THE RIGHT TYPE of green]

but mate therE IS A MILIarisation/of the police seRVICE]
MORE ;ROLE PLAYING AND COPPERS SETTING UP THE PLAYS; THEY HAVE TRAINED.FOR

ITS A FORM OF BRAIN WAShing
but mate the big concern S THE THUGS THAT WERE FORMER solgers
they are two very diferent forces/providing very diferent service[LIKE I HAVE SEEM CROP SITTERS WATching the cia renditioned opiniom poppies[and well know the balack guards of black water

mate sYMBOLOGY IS IMPORTANT
AND A COPPER WITHOUT HIS NUMBER EXPOSED BECOMES A THUG

and as for hirING A COPPER HOW INSANE
HEY MATE GOT A JOB FOR YA..SAD MATE
<<..Commissioner down there,..want their police ..to be more respected,..but also feared by the hoodlums..?>>

YOU MUST BE AWARE THAts how bank-thieves AND RAPISTS FEEL
THEY WANT THE FEAR
BUT WANT THE RESPECT?

its insane
the uniform sybolizes the sTATE/THREAT/FORCE;REVENUE

<<..it's the man in the uniform that should be respected,>>

YES BECAUSE THE BLACK SUIT REAPS ITS ill fruits
pOLITITIONS IN BLACKL SEVING THE DARK FORCES
GOD FORBID COLOUR/that wakes folks up

ans waking up angry cops/is what i do

<<..all very idealistic,..I realize>>
YEAH/ME-TOO..but mate the big difference/;YOU WORE CALMING BLUE*

NOT THE SAME COLOURS THE NIGHT TIME CRIMINALS DO
Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 15 July 2014 7:35:41 PM
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Dear O Sung Wu,

The reasons for youth homelessness are many, varied,
and complex, stemming from family conflicts, economic
hardships, alcohol, drug and sexual abuse in the home,
pregnancies, sexual orientation, mental illness,
and neglect. There's the kids who are released from
juvenile correctional facilities who become homeless
because they lack support systems, opportunities for work,
and housing. A high percentage in shelters often come
directly from foster care, and so on.

The relationship between homeless youth and the police
appears somewhat uneven. In some places it's a source
of conflict and antagonism, while in other places there
are programs to improve policing on the streets - and
many of these programs are working.

One thing is certain - the situation of homeless young
people is ripe for escalation and conflict. If
homelessness continues then the chances of legal
complications will increase - raising a concern about the
inadequate support for young people in these
situations.

One thing I want to mention is the excellent work done
by the Saint Vincent de Paul Society, and of course the
Salvation Army. What is extraordinary is the range of
services offered by these organisations and the total
number of people annually assisted by these organisations
runs into millions. They represent humanity at its best!
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 6:38:16 PM
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Hello there FOXY...

Very nice to hear from you. Might I ask if it's still, all systems go for the 26th of this month ? Somewhere around there ? In any event, my thoughts are with you FOXY.

Everything you say is correct particularly with the services offered to homeless youth, as well as other homeless men and women, by 'St Vinnies' and the Salvo's.

Unfortunately, the relationship between police and most homeless people is relatively poor. In Sydney, the parks and other haunts often occupied by these people are invariable patrolled by police in 'caged vehicles' (F150 Fords). And in so doing the mere presence of a uniformed copper, seen slowly cruising around these areas, sends completely the wrong message to these people. They tend to view both the coppers and their vehicle similar to that of a shepherd rounding-up sheep, in this instance, mustering (innocent) homeless people, for the purpose of arresting them ?

Interestingly, some of the older intractable vagrants, prefer to be arrested, particularly around Christmas time and in mid-winter. They are confined to Long Bay for a month or two, whereupon they're well fed, bathed and clothed, all in readiness to once more enter their noir world of itinerancy and perpetual vagrancy. This group are quite dissimilar to that of homeless youth, and most wouldn't trade their lifestyles for quids.

As I see it FOXY, the problem with youth homelessness will become much worse. I see evidence of young people loitering around these large Shopping Malls, with the intent of making a nuisance of themselves. Until either security moves them on or the police are called. And in so doing the police are perceived as 'the enemy'. Rather than as a potential source of possible assistance ? Will this perception ever change ? Sadly, I think not.

Take good care of yourself please FOXY !
Posted by o sung wu, Wednesday, 16 July 2014 9:41:59 PM
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