What a mess this asylum seeker debacle is for us moving forward, and to think the problem was well and truly controlled prior to one ego driven K Rud coming on the scene.

What a mess he has left behind and to think he's on some $180K for life sickens me.

Rudd may have made a mess but it is morriscum and the lieberals who have turned it into a human rights violation and a crime against humanity. Nuremberg is calling you morriscum.

Gillard is on over $200,000 per year so I think Rudds may be more.

mikk,
How about putting your money where your mouth is ? How about starting to make payments to keep the boat people ?
Will you do that ? My guess is not. You have the audacity to come up with name calling like in your last post yet you're the scum who doesn't lift a finger nor give a cent to help. I really think you should crawl back into your hole & leave the thinking to those who can think.

your compassion is not compassion, it's a warm'n fozzy vogue thing, nothing else.
And yes, Rudd & Co have left us with an intolerable mess with the help of the likes of you. Don't you have any shame ?

<< What a mess this asylum seeker debacle is... ...the problem was well and truly controlled prior to one ego driven K Rud coming on the scene. >>

You're not wrong there rehctub.

This is what I wrote in 2008 immediately after Rudd’s great stuff-up:

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=7744#120611

Dear rehctub,

What a mess Kevin Rudd left us with?

Really?

I think that like Kevin Rudd, Tony Abbott has failed to
make the transition from opposition to government.
Mr Rudd, while a good opposition leader was felled by
his own hubris when in government. Mr Abbott, another
good opposition leader is threatened by his lack of
respect for the electorate. The parallels are uncanny.

What Mr Abbott is doing now that he's in government
can not be blamed on the previous government. And doing
so - no longer carries a lot of weight with the
disgruntled voting public - be it the budget or the
handling of asylum seekers.

And talking about asylum seekers...

The following link provides an accurate perspective on
what could have resulted, had Mr Abbott and his party
supported the Malaysian Solution:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-21/danby-liberals-want-it-both-ways-on-immigration/4155674

The Coalition were more concerned about winning an election,
than solving the asylum seeker problem. Politics before people.
Nothing has changed since then.

Foxy,
All you ever come up with are links that tell us what the Left wants us to hear. Don't you have anything constructive such as ideas as to how to overcome the Labor mess ?

Foxy, I cant see how you can say the asylum seeker issue is not Rudds fault, as the problem clearly didn't exist before K Rudd came to town. To suggest anything else is a total denial of facts.

Every cent, or should I say, every Billion Dollars spent on this debacle is one, borrowed money, and two, money that would make life so much more enjoyable for the likes of our elderly, our sick and our kids, as they are being denied basics while Rudd, the creator of this mess live it up on tax payers money FOR LIFE!

Its a joke beyond all proportions and there should be a legal challenge by the tax payers to have his life long support pension cancelled.

Mikk, there wouldn't be a human rights issue if the measures Howard put in place had not been dismantled.

‘morning Foxy,

Reading your posts reminds me of the man who claimed he could teach a Donkey anything. A reporter from the Animal Weekly turned up to cover the story and asked the Donkey trainer to demonstrate his technique.

The trainer took the reporter into the paddock, closed the gate, picked up a long piece of 4 X 2 timber, raised it above his head and brought it crashing down right between the Donkey’s ears.

Whoa! Said the reporter, how does that teach the Donkey anything? Well the trainer said, to teach a Donkey anything, first you have to get its attention!

If you could just draw yourself away from the ABC and Matilda for long enough to get your attention we could administer the solution.

Metaphorically speaking of course.

Credit where it is due here. Sending these illegals to an even worse place than where they come from is guaranteed to stop this nonsense. I think it is marvelous that these dead beats who think they are going to sponge off our taxes are stuck somewhere with no Centrelink. Watch how when they realise the pickle they are in they soon make other arrangements.
Anyone got any opposing view well whats wrong with the people from PNG apart from the fact they do not do left wing guilt trips.

Dear rehctub,

Perhaps the following link may put things into
a proper perspective for you:

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/asylum-seekers-my-country-my-shame-20140704-zswgi.html

Foxy - That story lacks a lot of comparable data, the numeric numbers are useless without for example the following data.

What Italy gives refugees
Three people sleep in each room. Aside from accommodations, the centres provide asylum seekers with food vouchers and legal assistance, as well as programmes for social and economic integration. Some receive a daily $2 allowance and uses it to pay for mobile internet service and basic clothing. They are allowed to work while there asylum case is reviewed, but finding a job in Italy's floundering labour market is nearly impossible for foreigners.
Asylum seekers, can live only in the assigned government centre and there freedom of movement is limited.

What Sweden gives refugees
Accommodation can be shared room and food and medical services as well as an allowance of $3.60 per day. They are allowed to work, but chances of finding a job are slim since most do not speak the local language.

What Ireland give refugees
Gives them group accommodation (like all in one housing commission building not separate house)meals and a bed nothing else they go to a different place and get 19 Euros per week spending money. They are not allowed to work. Some have waited more than 8 years to be assessed.

Con't

What Isreal gives refugees
Some get a short-term visa, to be renewed every few months. They are not allowed to work.

Some get an allowance of about $4.50 per day, as well as food and basic medical services. Those benefits are more than what most asylum seekers in Israel get. The estimated 45,000 Africans who have not been detained in Holot continue living - mostly in south Tel Aviv - on short-term visas, without any social benefits and with limited health assistance.

Former Minister of Interior Eli Yishai was quoted as saying: "We will make the lives of infiltrators bitter until they leave." Israel's immigration authority offered Asheber $3,500 to leave the country but he declined. He is too afraid to go back to Eritrea and said he has nowhere else to go.

Israeli government terms refugees as "infiltrators". (How true a lot are Economic infiltrators)

Dear spindoc,

Thanks for the donkey joke.
I heard it decades ago - when I was studying
Organisational Behaviour - it was a great
example given - of motivation.

You've also - probably heard of the old warning -
of the slow-boiled frog.

The folksy warning states that if a frog is thrown
into boiling water it will quickly jump out - but if
you put a frog in a pan of cold water and raise the
temperature ever so slowly - the frog will eventually
cook to death.

As far as the current government is concerned -
it's time we jumped out - and quickly.

Foxy - Don't forget to take the source into account.
Quote "Alastair Nicholson is a former chief justice of the Family Court, a University of Melbourne law professor and chairman of Children's Rights International. This is an edited extract of a speech he gave last month."

This person I would suspect is not short of a penny and would not be effected adversely by Government cutbacks to pensions etc.

It is easy to be overly generous when the expense of such generosity is not coming out of your pocket.

Also I suspect none of the economic invaders will be living in the posh suburb he lives in.

‘morning Foxy,

Mirrors are such a bitch.

They are fine when they lay face down on your dressing table but the instant you pick them up and look into them they pose real “reflection” of your problems.

The reason for old jokes is because they offer an enduring end to reflective reality.

Whilst I fully understand the frog in warm water analogy, I was wondering if you could drag yourself away from your self referential network long enough to expose yourself to some form of reality?

You are quite at home with the concept of frogs in warm water however, you seem utterly oblivious to the cozy pot of warm water in which you exist. It is getting warmer by the minute yet your focus remains on “others” who might get boiled? What is it about you that rejects the reality of your boiling environment whilst you busily squawk “hot water, hot water?

You are a classic progressive, incapable of original thought, borrowing the opinion of others, throwing Unicorns to the proletariat and wondering why, after years of trying, that you are losing traction in thought, word and deed.

Of all the “intellectuals” on OLO, you are potentially the greatest failure. Desperate to gain relevance in a world that is leaving you looking increasingly like the eunuch at the orgy, you play on the platitudes and rhetoric of a bygone era.

I challenge you to enter the world of reality and debate your rhetoric. You are simply a dated intellectual lacking in original thought. You just “borrow” the concepts of the pseudo intellectualism of those that inspire you.

You are part of the socialized cancer that inflicts our nation, lacking any ability for self analysis, critical thinking or examination of the wider world you so despise. You are part of the self and reflective hatred that besets those who depend entirely upon vilification of contrary opinions.

If Scott Morrison had any balls, he would ship you and yours off to Manus Island so that you could commune with like minded life forms, the LNP haters

Yep, keep the brown skins and apes OUT of Australia. Scott Morrison is doing a GREAT job.

Also I suspect none of the economic invaders will be living in the posh suburb he lives in.
Philip S,
I have had quite a long yak with that chap & I was dismayed at the ignorance of daily life & the aspirations of normal people that a person of his calibre has. He wa so sucked in by the do-gooders' rants it almost made me cry & yet he is a person whom everyone looks up to.
It's just dimay after dismay. We need to get people who know into plces of decision & policy making, not these educate or rather super indoctrinated academics. Only then can we start solving problems. Academic experts are not the answer, they are the problem !

A few good points have been raised about Government pensions. Paul Keating gave us assets tests and income tests but excused his PS mates. Let's have a campaign to give this wonderful assets/income tests to all, the ex politicians and public servants.
There is millions of saving for everyone then. Whilst we are about it we should also make the recipient of "Fringe Benefits" pay the tax. Another Keating initiative.

spindoc,

"You are part of the socialized cancer that inflicts our nation, lacking any ability for self analysis, critical thinking or examination of the wider world you so despise. You are part of the self and reflective hatred that besets those who depend entirely upon vilification of contrary opinions.

If Scott Morrison had any balls, he would ship you and yours off to Manus Island so that you could commune with like minded life forms, the LNP haters"

Again - "....You are part of the self and reflective hatred that besets those who depend entirely upon vilification of contrary opinions."

Always a laugh to see someone criticising vilification on the grounds of contrary opinion by practicing the vilification of a contrary opinion.

........

This govt hasn't got a clue. Tones the amateur says that negotiating with the Senate on the the carbon tax repeal has been normal.

Lenore Taylor wrote that she's never seen negotiating skills like it

"It is extremely abnormal for a government Senate team to negotiate an amendment with a lower house MP and a gaggle of others in a corridor as journalists watch on and the clock ticks down on the government’s own gag motion."

Lol!

As for Scotty the Terrible....I expect if he ever gets any more power, that he'll manage to turn it on the citizens of Oz just like the good rogue ideologue (who cares about transparency) he is.

This govt repeatedly having to remind us that they're "adults" is like the GDR calling itself "democratic".

Dear spindoc,

Although I am extremely flattered by your
taking the time to analyse me - I really feel
unworthy of all this attention from you.
Surely, your time could be better spent
giving us something more original than finding
faults with others and talking about mirrors,
while avoiding discussing the image that you yourself
present in your posts on this forum.

As for "originality?" I understand where you're coming
from. It's "other people" who keep repeating the
same old jokes we've yawned at a hundred times before;
You repeat old favourites that you know will get a laugh.
(smile).

You obviously feel that life is only tolerable when you
can look down on someone else - and in this case, I'm
the "lucky" recipient. Well as everyone knows, the world
is divided into two categories: Other people and Us.

Life could be defined as a long process of putting up
with Other People's irritating habits. Yet I am
constantly amazed at how tolerant even the most intolerant
people are of their own foibles.

cont'd ...

Dear spindoc,

HEE HAW!

Indi, you are spot on as the main skill most descision makers lack, is life skills. They have no idea.

The single best way to fix this problem is to remove what it is they are coming here for. Full stop! So far, Abbott and Co are the only ones doing anything close to that. It's just a pity they are faced with fixing a monumental stuff up they didn't cause, without the funds to priorly do so. At least not without robbing from someone else.

Another VERY IMPORTANT FACT that the bleeding hearts DON'T GET, is that this debacle was created during boom times for our mining sector and, Holden, Ford and Toyota had not mentioned leaving, at least not with the clarity they have shown now.

In short, this problem was caused when we had money, now Abbott and Co are forced to fix it without money.

While I hate to sound like a broken record, one K Rudd is living it up, at the expense of our sick, our elderly, our mentally il and our kids, because the money HE WASTED could have helped all these sectors and quite frankly, the sheer arrogance of the man sees him enjoy life as if nothing he did was wrong.

rehchtub,
On the other thread Josephus talks about how mean hearted we are, I wonder how much the ex PM's are giving to Charity without claiming it back in tax ?
The Labor voters have literally blood on their hands but their conscience is clear because their Superannuation is up to date.
Until these mutts concede that they are the greed mongers & not those whom they accuse of greed mongering then nothing will change. The public Service needs stripping back to only the required numbers, this will remove Labor's backbone. I witness Labor incompetence on a daily basis & it beats me how we can keep on going. I had my spirits lifted though a couple of days ago when talking to some people 30 years younger than me & who all & I mean ALL agreed with my assertion that Labor is an evil & conniving enterprise hellbent on destroying Australia by pretending to fight for the workers, yeah right !

Yes, good point Indi.

There was/is a thread on religious donation running and, it's rather ironic that many of their donated dollars are provided by way of tax deductions, only to be used as non taxed profits. Times have changed and we are no longer in a position to afford these hand outs.

Nor should we be supporting retired polies with huge pensions, especially when the cause such havoc while in office.

I say it again, bring on mandatory professional indemnity insurance for polies, even if we have to pay the premiums, as at least we would be hundreds of billions better off.

Lets take a quick cut n paste of the web & see what rings here in the land of milk & honey.

1.The idea of class and the importance of agrarianism

2.Private ownership, the circulation of money, the regulation of the economy by the state, the idea of ethnic bourgeois class, economic self-sufficiency

3.The nation and the difference between nation and state
4.The attitude towards democracy and political parties
5.The importance of political heroes, i.e. the charismatic leader
6.The attitude towards Tradition
7.The attitude towards the individual and society
8.The attitude towards equality and hierarchy
9.The attitude towards women
10.The attitude towards religion
11.The attitude towards rationalism
12.The attitude towards intellectualism and elitism
13.The attitude towards the Third World...

these are the generally agreed upon characteristics of a fascist government.