From RObert's link,

<Dr. Nikita Levy was fired after 25 years with the Johns Hopkins Health System in Baltimore in February 2013 after a female co-worker spotted the pen-like camera he wore around his neck and alerted authorities.

Levy committed suicide days later, as a federal investigation led to roughly 1,200 videos and 140 images stored on computers in his home.

"All of these women were brutalized by this," said their lead attorney, Jonathan Schochor. "Some of these women needed counseling, they were sleepless, they were dysfunctional in the workplace, they were dysfunctional at home, they were dysfunctional with their mates. This breach of trust, this betrayal - this is how they felt.">

It is nasty that there could be a photo of a body part in a secret drawer somewhere, but where no identification is possible why would it result in such serious harm?

Got to wonder about the social conditioning that causes women to suffer such long term, serious psychological harm - "brutalised", "sleepless", "dysfunctional" - from incidents like this. Decades of feminism but apparently women are even more disturbed by 'down there'(sic).

Ludwig,

"I'm sure you have more open mind about this than the likes of Is Mise."

I have an open mind on this and am no admirer of some aspects of British justice, but given the Judge's comments, the evidence presented and the jury's verdict plus having known Rolf socially then I must concur that he got what was coming to him.
In some other jurisdictions the minions of the law would have allowed the fathers an unrestricted interview, whilst having an ambulance waiting.

Is Mise, yep the person who has a closed mind is Ludwig, as almost all of us realise. The person who can only see in black and white terms is Ludwig. The person who made up his mind before the judge's comments is Ludwig. The person who has been forced to back down (if only 5%) is Ludwig. The person who refuses to open his mind and see factual reality is Ludwig.

Why do we even bother? Ludwig is a lost case, closed minded and so terribly defensive that every single percentage of admission has to forced from him one percent at a time, page after page after page after page. He is close to totally close minded, and can only view in black and white terms.

I find it very interesting Robert that those who strongly condemn Harris don’t seem to be criticising the sentence that he has received or the fact that half the prison penalties are to be served concurrently, which virtually means that they amount to no penalty, or that this total has then been effectively halved again, as he is required to spend only half of his sentence in jail…. which means that he is effectively being penalised for the equivalent of about 3 of the 12 charges.

I have quite considerable disagreements with this set of respondents, and yet we all seem to agree that the penalty is appropriate.

That doesn’t make much sense to me. If you feel that Harris is such a terrible deviant, then why aren’t you or others on your side of the debate crying foul about a perceived lenient sentence or about half the charges effectively amounting to no penalty?

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<< Ludwig I have kept my mind open on this topic… >>

Yes I believe you have. Certainly more so than some.

<< …if any credible reason to take an aternative view had been put I'd consider it but that has not been the case. >>

It is not a matter of ‘reasons’, it is a matter of possibilities, or probabilities. And given the number of potential issues that I have raised, you’ve surely got to consider there to be a reasonable probability that Harris has been too harshly dealt with, at least regarding some of the charges.

<< Instead all I've seen is a determined effort on your part to minimise Harris actions… >>

With respect; that doesn’t sit well with you having an open mind.

<< Your main support has been from a couple of posters who are either trolls trying a dodgy portrayal of elderly kiddy fidlers or hopefully under police survelance. >>

That’s a bit rich, given that one of your main supporters is surely a complete embarrassment to your side of the debate, while others have presented very simplistic responses that indicate a closed mind and a complete lack of will to critically examine the points that I have raised, and others have fallen off this thread and disappeared, perhaps because they can see the merit in what I am saying… or they are only interested enough in the issue to condemn Harris, but not interested enough get right into the nitty-gritty of it ?

Ludwig is now just playing games, as within his 2 last posts he's shamelessly contradicted himself. In the first post on this page he says the penalty is appropriate. Then in the second post directly beneath the first post he says there's a reasonable "probability" that Harris has been too harshly dealt with. People, he's just playing word games with you.

Also, in the second post Ludwig says Robert has an open mind, then in the same post totally contradicts himself again and says that RObert's words don't sit well with having an open mind. Just crazy stuff. RObert, Ludwig is just playing mind games. Ludwig wants to "win", and he's very immature.

To RObert and the other people attempting to debate with a closed minded and contradictory Ludwig ..... can't you see that Ludwig is just playing mind games with you now? Can't you see that Ludwig will NEVER change no matter what you say?

His closed mind and intransigent black and white approach leaves no room for intelligent debate, as with Ludwig it's "my way or the highway". He's clearly one of those people who takes a stance and does not possess the insight and maturity to back down when proven wrong. It's a matter of self esteem for Ludwig; if he backs down too much it hurts his self esteem.