<<Marx was a fraud, that's all you need to know about Marxism>>
A closed mind there Jay.

Now to debunk Stefan Molyneux

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlpQPR9j7yU

Molyneux uses Paul Johnson as his source. a right wing nutter!

Jay
Have you read Marx or any philosophy about the issue?
I have and I realise that you have [like many people] mistakenly conflated two important and separate issues.
That is you conflate the quite obvious fact that in history and real world social-political circles the ideas that are “claimed” to be Marxist or derivative thereof are clearly frauds, inconsistent and quite infantile and silly.
However that does not necessarily mean [as you imply] that the actual writer Karl Marx himself and his theories were all totally fruitless and lies etc.

I know as I agree with you on one hand that real world interpetations of Marxist ideas has been off completely almost and have proven to be pathetic.
Yet on the other hand [from personally reading the man’s works in small measure] that Marx did have real, honest and genuine concerns and fears about the social and political universe in a capitalist environment [which he focused on but in my view ALL societies are guilty of same] where he saw massive abuse and oppression of poorer people who were beholden like slaves to the property owners that employed them. This he predicted could develop into extreme disparity.
I would argue that in China and India for 2 examples today, the dog eat dog and owners/workers systems has shown itself there at least to be true as Marx said [look at the extreme disparity].

I merely wish to make the point to the so-called progressive leftists that claim to be in tune with the Marxist ideals but yet who do not ever anymore discuss the issues and concerns around that class inequality issues Marx began the movement that the left now claim their lineage.
I merely ask the left: why no longer do you talk of class inequality? What is going on.

MathewS and Jottiikii, before I could attempt to answer your queries re class equality, I would like some examples of what you might see as 'class inequality' in Australian society in 2014?

Paul...Jason Unruhe..Seriously? He's a Maoist and apologist of the DPRK model of Socialism...you just googled "Rebuttal Stefan Molyneux" and posted the first video you saw without watching it didn't you?
Yes..but Marxian Socialism failed and left 120 million corpses in it's wake didn't it?
It failed because it's based on a lie, Marx was a fraud.
Marx spent his life in libraries or in bed, he had no valuable insights into the way the world actually works, lots of people have cults form around their literary works, there are no doubt vastly more Harry Potter fans in the world than there are Marxists....what's more probably 99% of J.K Rowling's followers have actually read her books, which can't be said of Marxists.

Jottiikii,
I've read and understood Kapital and the Communist Manifesto, if I hadn't I would have no frame of reference for my remarks.I'd made up my mind about Marx back when the Soviet Union was still clinging to life, the Stefan Molyneux video just makes things understandable to people who don't know anything about the man.
Race/Ethnicity/Gender/Sexuality is the new class system for most Leftists, they claim to be applying Marxist theory to those endeavours but as we know Marx (who was not a Marxist) didn't come up with those theories.
Jason Unruhe doesn't understand the premise of Molyneux's video, nobody cares what practical applications Marx' theories might have, the man was a bum who treated society and those around him as his own personal cash machine, is it any wonder his ideas have been seized upon by crooks and despots the world over?
Actually everyone interested in this thread should go and watch a few of Jason Unruhe's videos, he's about as intelligent a Leftist as you're likely to find on Youtube...or anywhere else.
Leftists, this is why we laugh at you:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgr5cilTJPILaRYS7f_TkVA

Spindoc,

obviously you have completely missed my points and arguments.
No doubt this is, as is common and expected, due to the complete misundetsanding in society about what is right and what is left, what is capitalist and what is communism.

My conceptual comprehension of the issues has sublimated those opposites that are in fact not fundamentally opposed as believed by 99% of world. I am actually against the leftist so-called progressive movements as I think they are fake, unfounded and based on fear and guilt that some leftists of the west have adopted with religious extremity.

Further I do not think the real world examples of apparent “communism” or “socialism” claimed to be on Marxist lines are in any way reflective of the Marxist ideals which are in fact based on a universal morality and existential human equality. Nothing in Russia or China or North Korea is remotely on Marxist ideals.
The left also misunderstand the Marx ideas and erroneously think this means they must be against free markets.

As for the so-called Right who mostly claim to be capitalists I also think they misunderstand both Marx and their own political-economic principles that evolved from mostly English political theorists centuries ago. That is to say the right have the misplaced view that the free market system as a thing in itself and on its own has the power to advance a society in always, yet this is not true as China and India show today [both are in my view the most capitalistic and selfish individualistic places in history]

And let me give some free advice – do not insert and conflate your own possibly misconceptions of a term [e.g. Marxism] with what you imagine another is thinking. You are wrong to claim I say that “North Korea has no human rights to speak of because they are a Marxist Totalitarian regime” but I never pinned the blame on Marxism nor would I even classify any of those nations [china, Russia and N. Korea] as being communist or Marxist even remotely.

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