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Legal eagles in a spin.

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Individual,

"As for the people who perished & that they could have been Australian ? So what ? If you're unable to assist, you're unable to assist no matter who is in distress"

The question that is being put is that those who were responsible for maintaining the lifeboats in a serviceable condition did not do so.

Had it been Australians that were drowned then I rather think that attitudes would be different.

As for the rough seas, Naval vessels went to the rescue and looking at the footage, I've been in far rougher seas in a small boat.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 20 June 2014 12:11:01 AM
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is Mise,
You're simply physhing for loopholes with the intend to cause problems. if the lifeboats weren't serviced then they weren't useable, full stop ! Why didn't you ensure they were in good condition ?
Now that you know they were neglected have you made arrangements to go there & fix them ? If not why not ? Don't you think more boats could show up at any moment ? hadn't you better make sure then the rescue equipment is in serviceable condition ? Go on, move.
You obviously haven't been there because you say naval vessels were there. What ? So close to those rocks ? Don't criticise if you yourself are nowhere to be found near the disaster area.
If you really want to prevent another tragedy and, prevention is the only thing to concentrate on now, then go to the middle east, talk to the mindless morons causing the strife & talk them out of coming here because it obviously is very risky. Tell them they're costing us so much money we don't have enough left to maintain our rescue equipment.
Perhaps you could prevent tragedies which are not of our making yet you blame us & want to make us pay for them. You are an Australian so do your bit with your money & your effort because many of us have our own problems to work on. If you have spare time, spare cash & spare energy go over there & stop them becoming refugees. That way you could some real good instead of blaming us for the problems of their own making. Tell them that we have a saying "you get what you sow".
Posted by individual, Friday, 20 June 2014 6:32:22 AM
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The people who put the lifeboats there, at taxpayer expense, had a duty to maintain them in serviceable condition and ready for instant use.

They had a duty of care, just as the supplier of the refugee boat had a duty of care to see that it was seaworthy and had an efficient crew.

The bloke in command had a duty of care to stay clear of land in the prevailing conditions.

Failure by the supplier and his crew in no way negates the failure of care in regard to the lifeboats.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 20 June 2014 8:08:01 AM
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is Mise,
How do you actually know the equipment wasn't useable ? Any pictures ? Or are you just taking some vermin lawyer's word for it. Have we got any interviews with the people charged of maintaining the equipment ? Why wasn't it maintained ? Was it perhaps due to some Labor voting bureaucrat that the maintenance wasn't done ? More than likely I'd say no funding was approved & now they're trying get money out of us ?
You still haven't told us what you're going to do to solve this, perhaps you're ready to put your money where your mouth is ? Get the money you're seeking out of the people responsible not from us taxpayers, AGAIN !
Posted by individual, Friday, 20 June 2014 10:39:11 AM
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Just what are you talking about Is Mise?

A life boat is a thing you use to abandon a sinking ship. Modern ones can cover reasonable distances in rough seas, & have a self righting capacity if rolled over.

They are definitely not maneuverable vessels, suitable for use in waters close to a rocky shore line, & would be totally unsuitable for rescue work in such conditions.

From what I saw of the conditions, with the debris in the water no sensible person would even consider taking an outboard powered boat into the area.

That leaves only things like the navy RIBs, inflatable pontoon boats as even mildly suitable, & they are not something the government has sitting around for rescue work.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 20 June 2014 11:34:40 AM
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Hasbeen,
I think is Mise is working for the lawyer, physhing for loopholes. i definitely wouldn't expect a person of integrity to carry on like that.
I'm surprised is Mise hasn't accused the Abbott Government for not being there when MH370 vanished. I mean how dare they didn't have rescue facilities at hand. Inexcuseable relly !
Perhaps we should introduce a rescue tax so Australia can cover the whole Indian Ocean ?
Posted by individual, Friday, 20 June 2014 11:42:18 AM
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