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Abbott's diplomatic triumphs.

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Poirot,
Well, seeing that these charters were organised by Labor bureaucrats the term moron is insufficient, perhaps criminal morons is more apt. I'm sure you'll find my name calling or rather character description of your Labor friends more challenging than their criminal ineptitude. What have you got to say about such waste of public funding ?
I suppose you could blame Abbott for wearing a blue tie or similar for this waste.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 15 June 2014 9:22:24 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

To use your format.

Did I ask you if you thought the word disputed is more technically correct? - No.

Did I ask you if you thought the Palestinian position that the negotiations cannot start without the acceptance of the 1948 borders as the only legitimate ones will kill the peace process? - No.

Did I ask you if you personally care whether the area is called the occupied territories, disputed territories or the Pork exclusion zone? - No.

Did I ask you if you thought that sanctions are any more than a vapid threat? No.

Did I ask you if you thought that Australian diplomacy on any issue should be governed by threats by one side? - No.

Rather I asked this;

Is this a diplomatic move by Abbott that you support even though it may well harm our exports? Is this smart diplomacy? Is this in Australia's best interest? Is it a triumph?

Breaking it down.

Australia has become only the second nation after Israel to refer to these areas as 'disputed' rather than 'occupied'. If it was indeed a diplomatic move then to what purpose? Further was it initiated by Abbott or the cabinet or someone else and if someone else then whom?

If it was a diplomatic move then was it smart? If you feel it was the product of an intelligent mind to go out on a limb like this then you must have some sense of the diplomatic goals made possible because of it.

Are those diplomatic goals in Australia's best interest? They certainly serve Israel's but what of this country? You must have a clear notion of both what those interests are and how they are being enhanced by this action. They will of course need to far outweigh the risk to trade and relations with 20 odd nations that this course of action has precipitated.

If you are able to convincingly answer the all above then I shall have no hesitation in agreeing with the proposition that Mr Abbott is indeed a triumph on the diplomatic stage.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 16 June 2014 12:02:50 AM
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SR,

Given that I am not an expert on the middle east what I do note is:
Australia has not changed its position on the recognition of the borders of the 1949 armistice,
Most of the Islamic countries have yet to recognise the existence of Israel, and hence the borders, and would like to include Israel in its entirety as disputed territory.

Secondly wrt threat of sanctions: The Ambassadors from the Islamic countries expressed their disapproval, the only person to mention trade retaliation was the Palestinian representative. This is one "crisis" of many confected by opponents of the government as a scare campaign similar to the "risk of war with Indonesia if Abbott turned the boats around" So the real risk of economic sanctions over the use of the term "disputed" = zero.

Finally to answer your question which in my opinion is so trivial and hypothetical that using it to make a judgement on the government's diplomatic success is like using the ash tray design as the sole criteria for buying a car is:

I don't really care, but if its sole reason is to wind up Lee Rhiannon, then I say go for it.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 16 June 2014 5:43:38 AM
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Shadow Minister says:

"I don't really care, but if its sole reason is to wind up Lee Rhiannon, then I say go for it."

That's the kind of base immaturity we've come to expect around here from "righties".

(Almost makes individual's ever-present "moron" lament seem classy)
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 16 June 2014 7:40:24 AM
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Poirot,
it's not a lament, it's an undeniable fact that there are too many morons. What else could you possibly call a Leftie ? I mean in a moral & technical sense. When there is no sense the word moron springs to mind. It's as simple as that. Don't like the term, don't behave like a moron.
Only morons can't understand that.
Posted by individual, Monday, 16 June 2014 8:12:28 AM
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individual,

Your commentary on this forum is a joke.

Your only recourse is to call people who disagree with your philosophy - "morons"...that's it...it's all you've got.

Interacting with you on here is not something I take seriously at all...it now boils down to counting how many times you employ the word "moron" in each post.

Which, at least, is kind of entertaining.
Posted by Poirot, Monday, 16 June 2014 8:20:56 AM
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