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Gillard, Shorten and the AWU. Labor, Unions, and corruption.

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Julia Gillard turned large amounts of cash from controversial ex-union official Bruce Wilson into cheques to pay for renovations on her Melbourne home, a royal commission has heard.

"During the work I would deal with Ms Gillard in relation to any payment for the completed work," Mr James said. But the cash for the 1994 work came from her then boyfriend and AWU heavyweight Mr Wilson, the commission heard. "I would give her the invoice. I am pretty certain she said she would get money from Bruce and pay me in the next few days. I'm certain she said Bruce was paying for it," the 84-year-old said in his witness statement.

Mr Kernohan said he was told by Mr Shorten "If you pursue this, a lot of good people will get hurt and you will be on your own,". Mr Kernohan said he had been "lined up" for the safe Victorian Labor seat of Melton.

"Any chance I had of entering parliament ... I knew that had evaporated the minute I walked away from Bill Shorten," Mr Kernohan told the commission.

Mr Kernohan said not long after he made his mind up to go to the police about union corruption, he was bashed by three men and had three bullets sent to him in the mail.

Is it my imagination, or do the past and present Labor leaders look like they should be more at home in a crime syndicate than governing a country?
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 12 June 2014 11:06:09 AM
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Dear SM,

<<Is it my imagination, or do the past and present Labor leaders look like they should be more at home in a crime syndicate than governing a country?>>

Try to get over it, keep in the shade and have a life: crime syndicates and governments are and have always been one and the same.

I can't see why you call them "leaders" - politicians are just a pack of hungry hyenas, predators up the food-chain from us.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 12 June 2014 12:07:38 PM
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Under cross-examination, Mr Hem told the commission Mr Wilson told him the money was to be deposited into Ms Gillard's account.

"No-one else was to see the bank account number or anything; I was to give him the details back when I came back," he said.
Posted by 579, Thursday, 12 June 2014 4:43:11 PM
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Love yer work, Shadow Minister.

I hope you are man enough to admit that the Labor Party is not the only repository of thieves and rorters. Although occasionally, you do give me cause to doubt...

I like Crikey's summary of this particular set of stories:

"The biggest beneficiary of these proceedings, of course, is the Coalition government, which has paid a lot of money to have its opponents’ bad habits exposed to the public gaze. Whether it is in the public interest to have so much public money spent on this, as opposed to a topic like the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse, is another matter."

Or indeed, whether it would be more appropriately put towards a Commonwealth version of ICAC.

After all, what could they possibly be afraid of?
Posted by Pericles, Thursday, 12 June 2014 4:55:44 PM
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Shadow, is well aware of Liberal Party CORRUPTION in NSW, I had a very long debate with the lad about the conga line of Liberals dancing their way into the NSW ICAC. He become so frustrated with his lack of argument he resorted to claiming The Greens were corrupt, but could offer no evidence, except his own delusions. Tried as hard as he might to "prove" Barry's boys and girls were not CORRUPT. failed miserably on that score too. Its not over yet, the ICAC will resume shortly with a few more Liberal time bombs ready to explode.

All your thread does Shadow is reinforce the fact that the Liberal and Labor Parties are CORRUPT. Do your best, I'll read it with interest.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 12 June 2014 8:47:52 PM
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The SMH this morning appears to take the opposite view to Shadow Minister.
As a self funded, retired, widower I am not above shouting a new close friend something valuable. Accepting that valuable item does not make the friend a criminal.
If the friend sought the valuable item might put a different perspective on the exchange but it is still not criminal unless the recipient knew that I had stolen the wherewith all. Proving that is unlikely in most circumstances.
Posted by Foyle, Friday, 13 June 2014 10:34:01 AM
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Paul is also well aware of the CORRUPTION and HYPOCRISY in the Greens party.

Comparing the malfeasance of a handful of state libs to the outright corruption of Labor is like comparing jay walking to armed robbery. No one at ICAC has yet accused the Liberals of making policy decisions based on donations or of diverting donations or public funds for their personal use.

What the lib MPs and the Greens were doing was perfectly legal in 2009, unlike the personal enrichment at public expense that many Labor MPs, trade union officials, and now apparently Gillard were doing.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 13 June 2014 11:30:09 AM
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FYI

This hits the nail on the head.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/cartoons/photos-e6frg6zx-1226796005926?page=1
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 14 June 2014 5:53:02 AM
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<<Paul is also well aware of the CORRUPTION and HYPOCRISY in the Greens party.>> Wrong Shadow, wrong, wrong, wrong. A total misconception on your part, As there is NO CORRUPTION and NO HYPOCRISY in the Greens I cannot be aware of something that does not exit. if I was i would be delusional. Talking of delusional Shadow are you unaware of the MASSIVE CORRUPTION within the LIBERAL PARTY in NSW.
As for; <<the malfeasance of a handful of state libs>> Playing down LIBERAL PARTY CORRUPTION, try as you might, the downfall of your head honcho in NSW PRIMER BARRY O'FARRELL was a result of a direct link to LIBERAL PARTY CORRUPTION!
<<the Liberals of making policy decisions based on donations or of diverting donations or public funds for their personal use.>> No of course not, the fact is these Liberal scum buckets have been approving 98% of development proposals put to them by their developer mates. AND what about The Liberal who demanded that some "love" be sent to him, whilst he was on hols in Vietnam, "love" was a euphemism for getting his hand on some of the bribe money that had been kicked in by Developers!
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 14 June 2014 8:51:31 AM
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It is sad that Paul is not aware of the CORRUPTION and HYPOCRISY in the Greens party. Perhaps if he opened his eyes and removed the green exclusive filters from glasses he may perceive reality.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Sunday, 15 June 2014 6:58:29 AM
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Shadow Minister,
Reality blinds the lefties hence their fumbling & guessing in the pink world.
Posted by individual, Sunday, 15 June 2014 4:03:17 PM
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Not even a good try Shadow, let me help you out, I'll try and put it in very simply language that even you can understand.
In New South Wales, we have a little organisation we call the ICAC, I wont tell you what the letters ICAC stand for as it might confuse you, other that to tell you these nice ICAC people in-vest-i-gate CORRUPTION, corruption a big word for you. I'll explain CORRUPTION, its things naughty little boys and girls do that they shouldn't be doing. In New South Wales there have been some really naughty boys and girls doing naughty, naughty things and the nice man down at the ICAC has found out about those naughty things those naughty children have been up to.
The naughty boys and girls are easy to find, because they all live in the same house, its called Parliament House and they are all related they all have the same name, there is Barry Liberal and Chris Liberal, and other Liberals, they are all from the Liberal family, these naughty corrupt little children. I think they deserve a good spanking, what do you think? And I think Mr and Mrs Voter are going to do just that next March, give these naughty Liberal children on hell of a hiding.

Too right Indi, that ICAC must be run by Commie Pinko types, finding CORRUPTION in the LIBERAL PARTY, how Un-Australian is that! The truth is we Greens pay them to stitch up good Liberals, cause its us who are corrupt, not them. Dream on.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 15 June 2014 7:55:22 PM
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Not even a good try Paul, let me help you out, I'll try and put it in very simply language that even you can understand.
In New South Wales, we have a little organisation we call the GREENS, I wont tell you what the GREENS stand for as even they don't know, other that to tell you these GREENS people par-tici-pate in CORRUPTION, corruption a big word for you. I'll explain CORRUPTION, its things naughty little boys and girls do that they shouldn't be doing. In the GREENS there have been some really naughty boys and girls doing naughty, naughty things and the nice people in Astralia have found out about those naughty things those naughty children have been up to.
The naughty boys and girls are easy to find, because they all live in the central suburbs, dreaming up silly ways to spend other peoples money, there is Brown eye Bob Greens (the stop all development greens) and Lee Stalinist Liberal (kill all the Jews Green), and other Greens, they are all from the greens family, these naughty corrupt little children. I think they deserve a good spanking, what do you think? And I think Mr and Mrs Voter are going to do just that next March, give these naughty Greens children on hell of a hiding.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 3:01:35 AM
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The Latest on Labor corruption are allegations that not only was Shorten involved in trying to cover up Juliar's involvement in the AWU scandal, but he was also directly involved in the HSU elections.

Is the best that Labor has a corrupt Union heavyweight?
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 3:08:56 AM
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Shadow, Shadow, Shadow, I don't mind your pathetic argument you put up in defense of the rotten to the core NSW Liberal Party. In fact I would go as far as to say your party, and the rotten to the core NSW Labor Party have so much rottenness in common the two parties should amalgamate and form the NSW Rotten Party, you should even go as far as reinstalling Boozy Barry as your party leader, and make Grubby Eddie your party patron. I don't even mind that you are a poor misguided conservative, I have sympathy for you, I think you are basically an honest person who must be devastated to know that the party you have supported and donated to, has deceived you, that it is in reality a gangster party. run by crooks, shysters, swindlers and scoundrels and that's just me making reference to the more honest party members, words fail me for a description of the rest of the criminal bunch! You would be better off voting for The Hells Angles Party, at least they would be more honest than those scoundrels in the Liberal Party.
However, I hate to mention it for the humptheenth time, but please stop plagiarising my funny material, think up your own!
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 7:11:30 AM
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Paul, Paul, Paul, I don't mind your pathetic argument you put up in defense of the rotten to the core Greens Party. In fact I would go as far as to say your party, and the rotten to the core Labor Party have so much rottenness in common the two parties should amalgamate and form the Rotten Party. (formal known as the Labor greens alliance.

You should even go as far as reinstalling Brown eye Bob as your party leader, and make Grubby Eddie your party patron. I don't even mind that you are a poor misguided socialist, I have sympathy for you, I think you are basically an honest person who must be devastated to know that the party you have supported and donated to, has deceived you, that it is in reality a gangster party. run by crooks, shysters, swindlers and scoundrels and that's just me making reference to the more honest party members, words fail me for a description of the rest of the criminal bunch! You would be better off voting for The Hells Angles Party, at least they would be more honest than those scoundrels in the greens Party.

However, I hate to mention it for the humptheenth time, but please stop plagiarising a 4 year old's material, think up your own!
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 17 June 2014 4:14:39 PM
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The extra scandal is Bill Shorten's attempted coverup of Juliar's corruption. He should resign immediately.
Posted by Lester1, Wednesday, 18 June 2014 2:44:41 PM
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Another attempt by those rotten corrupt NSW Liberals to bad mouth Australia's finest Senator LEE RHIANNON. This time it was Liberal grub Peter Phelps in the Legislative Council. Phelps is the same clown who reckons the Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet was a good bloke.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-13/nsw-liberal-mp-defends-dictator-augusto-pinochet/4955594
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 19 June 2014 2:10:04 PM
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That's nothing compared to the corruption of Shorten and Juliar.
Posted by Lester1, Thursday, 19 June 2014 2:18:09 PM
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Royal commission into union corruption: Ex-AWU worker says he banked $5k into account held by Julia Gillard

A former AWU worker banked $5,000 from his boss, Bruce Wilson, into an account held by former prime minister Julia Gillard, the royal commission into trade unions has heard.

Wayne Hem, a librarian at the AWU's Melbourne offices in the mid-1990s, says Mr Wilson, a former union official, gave him a wad of cash to be banked.

Under cross-examination, Mr Hem told the commission Mr Wilson told him the money was to be deposited into Ms Gillard's account.

"No-one else was to see the bank account number or anything; I was to give him the details back when I came back," he said.
Posted by 579, Saturday, 21 June 2014 11:23:38 AM
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