Nhoj,

Juliar put a price on carbon, by putting in a carbon tax.

"Tax - a compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits, or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions."

There are lots of ways to put a price on carbon without a carbon tax. But as all the revenue from the carbon tax went to the state it was 100% tax. Juliar Gillard Lied.

Shadow Minister .... you obviously don't like to actually read posts. At bottom of page 28 I pointed out that Ms. Gillard lied on ONE promise, by my use of the word "other" in my post. Please learn how to read. I directly asked you to name any "other" broken pre election promise from Ms. Gillard. You have been unable to do that.

I have just pointed out 28 broken election promises from Tax'Em Tony in my post on page 29. There's actually more than that.

ToneLIAR is the biggest LYING PM in the history of Australia politics.

Dear Shadow Minister,

Just to jog your memory:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/why-julia-gillard-didnt-lie-about-carbon-tax-plans-before-election/story-e6frerdf-1226421929786

Loudmouth,

"...[Well, depends on the size of the plum, I suppose]..."

Lol!

Hey, hey....he also called him a "dcikhead" but OLO wouldn't let me put up the link because that word was in it.

The reason I mentioned "older men" is because Willesee is in that category...surely if Palmer had said that to a woman, there would have been all sorts of sexists overtones, etc.

Btw, I see you're taken to addressing Poirot as anything but...as in "Pirrot" or "Porrit". I think, myself that SM's usual favourite of "Parrot" is at least funny...even OUG's "Pure Rot" stacks up as clever word play.

Being as you're such a grown-up, I'm sure you can do better than your recent effort

Nhoj, Thanks for that "short" list of the lies from Tax Em' Tony, terrible, the fella has no shame, lies and more lies. I've just heard the news that the new Prime Minister of New Zealand, Tony Abbott, ha ha, has embarrassed that poor little kiwi country across the ditch, on his visit to Canada, the country he stupidly refers to as "Canaria". As Effie would say "How Embarrassment!"

I must say how pleased I am that Nhoj has returned to the forum, with his factual, informed and balanced comments. Nhoj keep up the good work, the intelligent side of the debate appreciates your incisive input. Unfortunately the 'Usual Suspects', and they know who they are, continue with their misguided mumblings, ratbag ramblings and general ill-defined diatribes. Yet we live in hope that they too may one day see the light, and throw off the heavy shackles of conservatism and breath the fresh air of socialism!

Nhob,

You have made the same assertion that Juliar only lied once several times before, and I have answered immediately with a string of lies and broken promises. And while I tire of endlessly repeating myself when boneheads demand a response and fail to read it, here are a number of lies and broken promises:

Juliar guaranteed that there would be no carbon tax, and 3 weeks later, we were getting one. = Direct lie.
Juliar promised an East Timor solution when there had been no negotiations with East Timor, only one phone call. = Direct lie.
220 promises of a budget surplus in 2012/3 the latest one from Juliar herself only weeks before Whine Swan admitted they weren't going to make it by a country mile = direct lie,
Then there was the people's congress,
The mining tax revenue that Juliar promised and spent but never delivered.
The NBN business plan that failed completely, and the endless litany of failed deadlines.

Nhob, I have a request, and that is that you provide one example of Juliar meeting a promise she made.

P.S. deliberately misquoting me is also lying, so please stop.

Foxy,

We have been down this road before. Paul Syvret is trying to argue on a technicality that as the definition of a lie is an intentional deceit, that because no one could determine whether Juliar intended to break her promise at the time she made it, she could only be accused of breaking a promise not lying.

Unfortunately for PS, he has left two logical holes you could drive a truck through:
1 - If this logic were true, no one ever could be accused of lying and the term would be redundant.
2 - If arguing on a technicality, one definition of lying defines giving a guarantee which one has no intention of keeping as lying. The brevity of the gap between the iron clad guarantee and the breaking of the promise is proof that Juliar lied.

Perhaps you would also do well in trying to recall one promise she kept.