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'Why War is Inevitable' Dr Paul Craig Roberts
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Posted by Arjay, Monday, 26 May 2014 10:51:39 PM
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There is an element of true in what you say. But the world was created with wars. So there has been no change, and no particular race are any more war mongering than the other.
Disputes are inevitable, that is why we have the UN. When all else fails we have war. How long is the world going to persist with chit chat with N Korea, it is obviously not working. Posted by 579, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 9:47:07 AM
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While kids still have punch-ups in the school playground, adults will continue to fight, & we will have wars.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 9:54:08 AM
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Oh I thought we were evolving into higher forms of life! Oh their goes another ridiculous dogma.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 10:30:51 AM
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mark/13..…6"Many will come..in My name, ..saying, 'I am He!' and will mislead many. 7"When you hear of wars and rumors of wars,..
do not be frightened;..those things/ must take place; but that is not yet...the end. 8"For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there will be earthquakes in various places; there will also be famines. These things are merely the beginning..of birth pangs.…[QUICKENING] This is that good understanding of the times which all should RESPECT/et,EL..thence to infer what Israel ought to do. Our Saviour cautions his disciples to stand on their guard against false teachers...[WORKS/WURKS]..And he foretells wars and great commotions among nations.*[NOT/THE LIVING]..From the time that the Jews.rejected Christ,[SALOME/BRINGER]and he left their house desolate,..the s*word never departed from them. See what comes..of refusing the//LOVE/LIGHT/LOGIC/LIFE. Those who will not..CHOSE/TO..hear..the messengers of peace, shall be made to hear the messengers of war... BUT/KNOW..LOVE BEGETS/PEACE..[where the heart is fixed, trusting in God,..it is kept in peace,..and is not afraid. YET/IF..It is against the mind/of Christ,[will/love..FOR OTHER].. that his people..should have troubled hearts,..even in troublous times...[When we looked forward..to the eternity of misery that is before the obstinate refusers of Christ-love]..and/by..his gospel,...we may truly say,..The greatest earthly judgments..are but the beginning of hells-sorrows. It is comforting..that some shall endure even to the end...0ur Lord foretells the preaching of the gospel in all the world...The end of the world shall not be till the gospel has done its work.[love/one\and/other... Christ foretells the ruin..coming upon the people of the news; and what he said here,...would be of use to his disciples, for their conduct..and for their comfort...[If God opens a door]...of escape, we ought..to make our escape,.. to do/other-other\than/wise we do not trusT,..but tempt It becomes..pleasure..of all/Christ's disciples, in times of public trouble,..to be much in prayer:silent/creed rite[trite][prayer/calls specifically.not randomly/AS YE GAVE/YE GET BETTER. LOVE/OF ALL\OTHER..that is never/out\of season,.but in a special manner..season-able.when we are distressed..on every side...but calm inside..where/the comforter dwells. Posted by one under god, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 11:26:54 AM
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Trust runner to be a warmonger. I wouldnt expect anything less from a christian extremist.
I bet even as we speak there are people who rule thinking about ways they can "remove" some of the worlds excessive population. War has always been their genocide of choice and I am sure it is well in the running this time. China, Russia/Ukraine, The middle East, Iran. All likely places our "leaders" can use as "enemies out to destroy our way of life" and justify another in a long line of wars and killing. With the new drones and robosoldiers, total surveillance and spying, and the massive concentration of wealth and control we are all in line for subjugation, deprivation, slavery and death. Unless we stand up! FIGHT WAR NOT WARS! Posted by mikk, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 1:57:49 PM
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"Oh I thought we were evolving into higher forms of life! Oh their goes another ridiculous dogma.".....so what happened to you runner:) Most wars have religion as the top motivator....Die for GOD and country...and the rest is backed-up by Arjays comments.
Every war is religiously based. Runner...just nail me to two planks of wood:) Kat Posted by ORIGINS OF MAN, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 3:43:05 PM
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Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 4:50:58 PM
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Do yourselves a favour and read some of the articles by Paul Craig Roberts. There are many who fear the USA/Britain are moving the world closer to a nuke war.
There is no way the West can win a conventional war against Russia and China. The USA seems to think that its missile defence shields will give them the edge. This is what they wanted to install them in Georgia and Putin stopped it. The USA has the same intent for the Ukraine and Putin will not tolerate it. The USA has let bankers take total control of their economy and it has been absolutely looted by them. The only thing left is their military might. China and Russia could trash the US $ but instead are buying time building their economies via the BRICS nations. They can win the peace with productivity. Both the Coalition and Labor are all the way with the USA and that is a one way street to disaster for us. Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 5:30:14 PM
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Mikk>>With the new drones and robosoldiers, total surveillance and spying, and the massive concentration of wealth and control we are all in line for subjugation, deprivation, slavery and death.
Unless we stand up!<< Mikk we never stand up till we have been beaten to our knees sadly. We have always had wars and subjugation, but we never posessed the technology to control and observe as we do today....We have a load further to climb to reach our feet in this technilogical scareyland. Posted by sonofgloin, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 5:56:20 PM
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http://tinyurl.com/55q8sk
Dr Paul Roberts is incorrect. Atomic war will never take place....why you might ask?......all and everything looses....of the ones that press the button. He talks about if the fear of these weapons will infact help in keeping the peace....and they will. Kat Posted by ORIGINS OF MAN, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 6:41:11 PM
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Every war is religiously based.
ORIGINS OF MAN you are obviously wilfully ignorant of history. Have you heard of Mao or Stalin. Posted by runner, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 7:24:54 PM
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Origins of man, Nuke war will never happen? Our elites have enormous underground shelters all around the planet. They are stocked with food and all the facilities which can filter air and water. They perceive this planet to way too over populated and see wars as a positive outcome.
Add into the mix the fact that the USA has almost pushed the nuke button on many occasions. With computers in control how do they stop an exchange? Missiles can travel 23 times the speed of sound and a nuke exchange will be all over in a few hours. The other factor is the psychopathic nature of many of those who are in charge in the USA.eg John McCain who is promoting war with Russia. Posted by Arjay, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 7:37:58 PM
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Arjay.."Our elites have enormous underground shelters all around the planet. They are stocked with food and all the facilities which can filter air and water.....its not going to help them:)
Kat Posted by ORIGINS OF MAN, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 9:04:04 PM
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"USA has almost pushed the nuke button on many occasions"....and last time was to stop war.
Kat Posted by ORIGINS OF MAN, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 9:11:49 PM
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After many years of distinguished service, twice decorated war hero Major General Smedley Butler admitted that "War is a Racket..in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives".
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html World War 1 alone created about 21,000 new millionaires. When profits are down, companies follow the money they can make from overseas conflicts and the soldiers follow the flag. Wars are ALWAYS sold as being about good and evil and flag-waving - never about the bottom line of some invisible corporations pulling the strings from the sidelines. It's typically dressed up behind the phony mask of some religious conflict (for the sake of the gullible) that can never be resolved but the true motive has always been cash or resources. The second Bolshevik revolution was partly funded by Wall Street, as was Hitler's rise to power. Nor morale outrage there - only dollars. The Vietnam conflict that overthrew the French was won with surplus WW2 weapons donated to the the Communists by the USA in return for access to off-shore oil fields. Armament manufacturers make money during the conflict and other corporations make money by contracting for the rebuilding. Vast sums of money are transferred upward and the costs are borne by the rest. It's always been that way. Posted by wobbles, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 3:31:55 PM
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Gees! Thanks Wobbles, I always guessed that Hitler, Musso and Tojo were only in it for the money.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 4:57:01 PM
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There's only a hand full of counties with-out nuclear weapons:).... so get in quick:).....if you wait to long, all will be just sitting with fingers on the button and the dark-ages will seem like a picnic:)....quotes from an unknown profit:)
The bible is the perfect blue print, I think you should follow it:) Seriously...mankind will have to think of something soon. Here's one....birth control/law of no babies world wide/or just blow each our up for the money we love so much. MMMMMMM hard choice:) Quote...The man-bear-pig will show the way:) Kat Posted by ORIGINS OF MAN, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 5:21:17 PM
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We have always been an easy target, ripe for the picking.
Us being overtaken is enevidable, because if you think about it, we can't even legislate to make many job seekers present themselves without ridiculous hair does, or crap hanging out of their faces everywhere. We are far too soft to protect our nation should someone decide they want it, so us being takien over is out of our hands. Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 6:40:35 PM
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Is Mise,
All three were after territory which equals resources which strangely, equals money. Why else? Ego? Pride? Boredom? Was because they were mistreated as children or because somebody looked at them the wrong way on the bus? None could have gotten into power and stayed there without financial backing from significant vested interests - just like it happens today. Posted by wobbles, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 9:58:42 PM
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rechtuB,
The thing is that White Australians WILL fight back,that's the problem as far as the Anglo Saxon elite is concerned, they crapped their pants over Cronulla in 2005 and that was nothing compared to what's happening in Europe these days. People like to talk about invasion or subversion or Islam or this or that other existential threat but we know that it would be a bloodbath, that the invaders would suffer horrifying losses and their fifth column would be butchered in the streets. As the saying goes, "When the white man's heart turns to steel you won't have any trouble putting steel in his hands", this is why we White dissidents don't advocate violence, we don't even talk about it because having a realistic world view it's not something we want to see happening in our suburbs. What's happening in Europe and the U.S is a low level race war already and at some point there'll be one rape or one murder too many and it'll explode. I'd like to keep on the right side of the HRC and the security services so I'll end my remarks there but we all know what's going to happen in Europe and the U.S in the next decade and it'll make the Thirty Years War look like a picnic in the park. Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Thursday, 29 May 2014 12:41:07 PM
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IM NOT SURE ID THis concept/will lead to war..[frakking]
it turns out a four mile by two mile..chunk..of land has slumped http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o9cvLE66ps its worth noting ther 'spots'[white spots[earth works]..of the frakking wells arround the area he zooms in to..[the white spots that move briefly int/out of focus..are other fraking weLLS..some inj lines of wells.. anyhow this fraking is going on globally if this sort of thing too happens globally..its going to reshape the earth radicly..but will they get angry enough for war/nope..no winners in any war/thats for sure is anyone else having difficulty in posting article replies [OR VIEUWING THEM] Posted by one under god, Thursday, 29 May 2014 1:00:39 PM
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It is interesting that Nigel Farage's UKIP party has just outpolled UF Labour by 2%.We need a Farage here but Clive Palmer will have to do for now.
Posted by Arjay, Friday, 30 May 2014 8:36:48 AM
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The US would always be busy redefining targets, as things change so do targets. I would not read anything into that.
Posted by 579, Friday, 30 May 2014 9:32:19 AM
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I thought we of the western world were doing reasonably well when compared with our performance in the past before WWI and II the western nations of the wold were constantly at war over one thing or another world war 1 and 2 seems a bit misleading as the world has been at war constantly for 100s of years. However since the so called WWll none of the major western powers have been at war and the wars that have occurred were small and brief admittedly western involvement in these wars did have a motive that was undoubtedly designed to rob their taxpayers. however the future where these altercations become a thing of the past is foreseeable. it is getting harder to fool nearly all of the people most of the time.
Posted by Robbb, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 6:36:44 PM
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Dr Roberts is the ex-assistant secretary to the US Treasury. He argues that Govts of all persuasions have used wars not to protect their citizens but to subjugate them and steal resources from other nations.
Given the Patriot Act initiated by George Bush, the National Defence Authorisation Act initiated by Obama, the illegal invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Libya, Vietnam, etc how have these wars made the people of this planet more free and democratic ? Is war inevitable just because we are too stupid and spineless to question authority ?