Dear Divergence,

<<If something will lead to the collapse of a society, with possibly millions of deaths, then it is wrong, period.>>

Who ever suggested indiscriminate access to Australian society?

I wrote that it's immoral to deny others access to a whole continent. There's however nothing wrong about denying others access to society or to locations where they are likely to cause harm, such as cities.

Look at it this way: is it right to treat humans worse than animals? What right have you to deny entry to wild-life just because they happen to be of the homo-sapiens species?

Sure, if an animal is a potential carrier of rabies, or snatches sheep and babies from farms, etc. then you may shoot it in self-defence, but not otherwise.

Other animals are pets. People should be allowed to keep pets so long as they satisfactorily guarantee that these won't bite others or cause any other public nuisance. When pets are a source of risk, it may require owners to keep them at home behind locked gates and an appropriate fence.

Then what on earth allows the state to prevent people from bringing their grandparents under the legal status of human-pets when we know already that they pose no threat of any kind (otherwise they wouldn't have received a tourist visa).

<<then why should you have a right to camp out in the territory of a nation state unless its people give you permission?>>

First, I gave a case where the people that actually live in the territory invite those campers to live in their own homes (even though the government opposes it).

More importantly, it is not the "campers" who overstep their boundary, but it's the state that wrongly dares to claim sovereignty over a whole continent they never created. It so happened that 200+ years ago the British had a navy stronger than that of the Spanish or French, not to mention Australia's original inhabitants, so they said "this is mine". Not so: people own what they improved by the sweat of their brow, but the land belongs to God.

Nhoj......Iam guessing your a UNI Student....Here is some in-side mail....You don't hold the aces...

"You are like many Australians ..... you can't think for yourself. You are a slave to ideology"....

See, the religious IDEOLOGY was the founding glue to all we see and are(religion is a defined correct mind base or would you like a box of bananas and you should know what that means?) and this is not going to change for a very long time.

The thinking ape?

Kat