Ludwig,
Are you so paranoid about migrants that you equate all government expenditure to immigration.

<<So…. if we were to greatly reduce immigration, we would greatly reduce the need for new roads and thus the need for this new tax.>>

That is simply a ridiculous statement!

When governments raise money from fossil fuels I want to see it committed to sustainable alternatives, including efficient public transport systems.

We've now reached page 10, and none of the forum righties have proven that the coalition has not DOUBLED the deficit.

I guess it's a case of *CASE CLOSED*.

Yep, Tax'Em Tony and Joe Cockey have DOUBLED the deficit in just 7 months.

The thing is we were all immigrants at one time or another, stagnation would happen without intake.
Hockey has had meetings and Abbott has an agenda, and that is to spend money, It will be interesting to see which way the bucket tips.
Keep an eye on debt levels, like the rest of au, after Abbott's dose of verbal diarrhea before the election, he has lost any credibility he ever had. AU could very well go into a period of negative confidence, if not recession.

Paul, what a shocker of a response!

Here I was thinking that you and I weren’t too far apart in our views. But it seems that you are every bit as bad as the worst red-neck and rampantly pro-growth Lib/Labs!

For goodness sake mate, can’t you appreciate the imperative for us to achieve a sustainable society? Surely this sits right at the core of green philosophy and doctrine, doesn’t it?

And can’t you see how totally at odds rapid population growth is with that ideal… or I should say: necessity ?

I wrote:

<< So…. if we were to greatly reduce immigration, we would greatly reduce the need for new roads and thus the need for this new tax. >>

You replied:

<< That is simply a ridiculous statement! >>

Why is it ridiculous Paul? Please, have a good long hard think about it.

<< When governments raise money from fossil fuels I want to see it committed to sustainable alternatives, including efficient public transport systems. >>

Yes yes YES!!

NOT committed to ever-more of the same that we’ve got now. Not committed to the building of ever-more roads, which is made necessary directly because of our very high rate of population growth.

Paul, you being a Green and all, I would have thought that you’d basically be agreeing with me here.

Ludwig, there are other factors which come into play when decisions are made to build new roads, other than migration alone, causing population increase. I claim the world is overpopulated at 7.3 billion, not sustainable, we are part of that population explosion even though our 23 million might seem insignificant compared to the total. We have had numerous discussions about this, can Australia simply act in isolation and what would be the consequences of us taking unilateral action to stagnate our population.
I see my own city Sydney as badly needing better planing as far as population is concerned. I am all in favor of decentralisation something that seemed to go into the to hard basket years ago,and now Sydney and Melbourne are paying the penalty for that lack of foresight.

Yep, Toneliar Abbott (Tax'Em Tony) has DOUBLED Australia's deficit in just 7 months.
Nhoj,
WHERE is the evidence ?