The show rolls on. With the well publicised crash and burn by ‘Mr. Squeaky Clean’ himself, ex NSW Premier, Barry O’Farrell last week, the NSW ICAC yesterday claimed another high profile Liberal in the shape of Marie Ficarra. The Liberal MLC stands accused of secretly soliciting money for a well established party slush fund! Along with the infamous three, Chris Hartcher, a former minister, Darren Webber and Chris Spence, it is alleged these Liberal Party people set up a dodgy company under the name of ‘Eightbyfive’ for the purpose of laundering illegal donations from the likes of property developers, and Labor’s Eddie Obeid’s AWH to the party.
If proven, the new Premier Michael Baird and his former leader O’Farrell will eventually have to come clean as to what they knew about these shenanigans. It would be difficult in the extreme to believe, like the Labor leadership and Sergeant Schultz “I know nothing!” As the Honorable Maie Ficarra’s term of office expires 6th March 2015, I don’t expect to see the honorable lady gracing the chamber again. The show rolls on.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-28/new-icac-hearing-begins-liberal-party-nsw-eightbyfive/5414892

The first of the "Gang of Three" Liberal egg Chris Hartcher was haled before the ICAC yesterday. Hartcher stands accused of laundering slush funds through his old law firm 'Hartcher Reid' handing them directly to the Liberal Party! This is only the tip of the Hartcher iceberg, much more is to follow.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/chris-hartcher-laundered-party-donations-through-his-old-law-firm-icac-told-20140429-zr1fx.html

Meanwhile up in Mac Street, the new head honcho Mike Baird was in damage control, with claims its all a surprise to me, calling for an investigation here, an expulsion there! For poor Mick he's all "shocked and appalled" at evidence of illegal payments aired at a corruption inquiry. Come off it Mick tell us what you know, and don't do a Barry and claim "I do not recall!"

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icac-hears-chris-hartcher-corruption-claims-as-liberal-mp-marie-ficarra-steps-aside-20140428-zr0np.html

Dear Paul,

Ah, the good old memory lapses.
So many politicians seem to suffer from that
illness. Yet many are so quick to attack
others for it. The results of the ICAC inquiry
will be interesting - in what (if any thing) results.
I suspect that not much will eventuate - just
as it has in past Royal Commissions.
But lets wait and see.

On OLO there is an article titled "Blowing a whistle into an empty room".

Basically the evidence will be turned into gobbly gook, a few minor sacrifices to make it look good and then it will be business as usual

"But, but, but .. I can't remember".

Police officer, "that settles it, he must be innocent".

What in heavens name are you talking about there NHOJ ?

With the spotlight at the ICAC this week pointing clearly in the direction of the Liberal Party Pig Pen, there has been little mention of Labor and what they might have been up to! Time to check them out, and see what hanky panky been going on down Sussex Street way!
Robbo, been at it, past sins might be coming home to roost. Labor Leader John Robertson has been dragged into a murder case, that of criminal businessman Mick McGurk, before anyone jumps to the wrong conclusions Robbo didn't fire the fatal shot that done in McGurk, or anything like that. What Mr Robertson may be guilty of is concealing a serious criminal offense. Robertson has admitted when he was head of Unions NSW McGurk offered him a bribe of $3 million to facilitate the sale of union property. If proven Robertson has committed a serious criminal offense in not reporting the matter to police. Something he freely admits he did not do. Possibly all will be revealed when Robertson faces a Greens backed parliamentary inquiry.
Some may recall this Robbo is the same Robbo who accepted a lavish ski trip from Eaddie Obeid. Interesting!

Does anyone know if 'Costco' sells a 1 ton pack of washing powder. There is so much dirty laundry in the NSW Labor and Liberal Parties they both sure could use it!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-18/robertson-admits-he-should-have-reported-3-million-bribe-offer/5398888

Read more about Robbo: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/labor-mates-snowed-under-by-eddie-obeids-generosity-20130205-2dwm0.html#ixzz30OudsJEr

O Sung Wu -- google "Barry O'Farrell". I feel so happy to have assisted you with your enquiry.

Paul1405, yep both sides of politics in NSW are utterly corrupt and full of shady characters. And it's the same in every state, to varying degrees. Some state political parties can be pretty efficient at covering up the corruption for years and years. Often the truth doesn't emerge till a decade or more after the events.

funny how those so interested in slush funds now were completely oblivous (especially the ABC) to Gillards efforts in her 'naive ' years. talk about trying to pick out a speck while carrying a plank in one's eyes. Oh well it keeps the 'progressives ' in a moral outrage and keeps them from looking at the grubby unions.

The voters of NSW have known for some time what a scum bucket Labors Joe Tipodi is. Tipodi was Obeid's right hand man, right up there with Macdonald when it comes to corruption. One who has been in the thick of things is former Labor boss and Treasure, Eric Roozendaal. Despite plenty of rumor and near evidence Roozendaal had managed to avoid most of the mud that has been thrown his way. Back in 2013 Roozendaal was "cleared" by the ICAC over a $10,800 discount he received on a near new car purchase, arranged by the corrupt Moses Obeid. That was until yesterday when Roozendaal took a direct hit from former Labor member for Newcastle Jodi Mckay. It was made clear by Mckay that Roozendaal was in with developer coal mogul and developer Nathan Tinkler, and along with Tipodi had conspired to have Makay replaced by the Liberal at the 2011 election.
Its now clear a vote in New South Wales for either Labor or Liberal at any level is a waste, you don't know "who" you are voting for, what "representation" you will be getting. You won't know how corrupt the candidate has been or still is. The only reasonable alternative for us in this state, is to vote for honesty and integrity and vote GREEN, the only party with shred of decency about it.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/jodi-mckay-implicates-eric-roozendaal-in-tinkler-bribe-at-icac-20140501-zr2o4.html

Of course no one is forgetting Juliar's slush fund fraud involvement, Bill Shorten's slush fund, or pretty much every ex union labor MP's slush funds.

How about the biggest single donation in history going to the greens which certainly would not comply to any recent donations legislation.

Shadow, I'm glad you have joined the conversation, can I have your take on the spectacular crash and burn by your fearless (state) leader Fatty O'Barrell the wonderful Liberal Party shenanigans which resulted in the devil himself falling on his own pitch folk!
I have absolutely no requirement to defend THE GREENS, a party with representatives well above the cesspit we find both the Labor and Liberal Parties in. Like Robbo who's got a few skeletons in the closet, Baird is not Mr Squeaky Clean, a member of the North Shore Mafia.
You don't need to throw "mud" at Labor, I will happily do that for you. I await your deference of O'Farrell, I expect it to be rather inventive and imaginative, it should be interesting to say the least!

I note this thread is getting little attention from the 'Usual Suspects' I wonder why?

"New South Wales Police Minister Mike Gallacher will step aside from his position after being named in the latest Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) inquiry.

The ICAC has heard allegations that Mr Gallacher was involved in a plot to hide a developer's involvement in payments to an alleged Liberal Party slush fund."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-02/icac-police-minister-mike-gallagher-dragged-in-to-scandal/5425726

Holier than thou LNP starting to smell like a polecat jamboree.

SCUM FLATs am
scum floats right there are the top of the cream

A FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD
I JUST LEARNED THE TRUE MEANING OF LEFT/RIGHT[LINKS TO SINESTER;THE LEFT IS SAID TO BE IN LEAGUE WITH SATAN[yet clearly the right is]..its clear why jesus said to satan..no thanks..the earth..ya can rule over the lot of it/cause the seervants feather their own nexts

se the breen thread..e404

The Shocking Truth About Regulatory Costs
http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35259/The-Shocking-Truth-About-Regulatory-Costs/

Regulatory Costs Are World's No. 10 Economy ... After years of rapid growth during the Obama administration, the cost of federal regulations is now bigger than the entire economies of all but nine countries in the world. That's according to the latest annual report on the regulatory state issued by the free-market Competitive Enterprise Institute, titled "Ten Thousand Commandments." Compiling reports of compliance costs from various government agencies and outside sources, author Clyde Wayne Crews found that the "regulation tax" imposed on the economy now tops $1.86 trillion. By comparison, Canada's entire GDP is $1.82 trillion. India's is $1.84 trillion. – Investors.com

The article also notes that on a per-household basis, federal regulatory costs average nearly US$15,000.

http://rss.infowars.com/20140501_Thu_Alex.mp3
but who cares..as long as we all repay it..the TOP GOT THEIR CAKE AND OURS TOO[WHY..i hear you ask..the pub-licking seervants feathering their nests/on our privatised former govt /privatised services nopw doubled in price

so much lost/why?
public servants nest feathering/they run whats called a two party system..thats really a two party...coAITION..fighting another two party colalition/yet all run by the public servants,good versus bad..left right//sinister=YES minester..[WE WILL MAKE YOU OR BREAK YOU.]

THE BIGGEST SLUSH FUND IS VIA THE WAR ON DRUGUSERS
run by the cia..who bring it 40 tons a time via rendition

heck dont believe me/here is a real current cia agent explaining things
http://www.facebook.com/robert.plumlee.5

here in words pAST THE HOUR 1.25 MARK
http://rss.infowars.com/20140501_Thu_Alex.mp3

BUT THERE ARe so many slUSH FUNDS.biggest slusher is defence procurement
followed by big peterochemical and medical slushies

damm computers
the point being its time those in the know chose whos side they are on
[and while cio is expert at well poisoning/its yet a great sign in these insane times

great chunk of text just self deleted
if their watching me live trime how much more important they watch those who really know

listen to the guy speak
recall this is THE DAY OF The ides of march

he saw what happend to seal team six and those 20 per day 'self'..kiling them selves by themselves or at least thats what the reporets say[one guy accidentally shot himself with a nail gun..[14 times]..another [a lawyer got shot]..dikkk cheezy..funny things happen in black opperations.

AS THEY SAY THE MORE YA KNOW
THE MORE ACCIDENT PRONE YA GET
big money knows which crime lord

One Under No God ....... have you considered psychiatric assistance for yourself?

Poirot,

Ever since the election of the O'Farrell Government in 2011, there has been open slather on development in NSW, with a 98% approval rate by the Tory's, some out and out shockers. We Greens contrary to the popular beliefs of some ratbags we are not opposed to development for opposition sake, we support good sustainable development which harmonies with the community. The Greens have not supported the obscene proposals put forward, and then approved by these ratbag Tory's.
In the light of the Gallacher resignation and other material being put before the ICAC one can clearly see why such obscenities have gained approval. Check out Packer and his 'Barangaroo' project

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-gives-green-light-to-packer-casino-at-barangaroo-20131111-2xc9m.html

I must say Labor in office was no clean skin on development either. I'm sure Eddie had his snout in there somewhere. LOL

dear oj...i have just come from a weeks suspension
so i threw out some notes to topic..generally explaining points others can refute question or demand i explain

your post did none of these things
i think its called playing the man and not the ball
but why waste reply on a wise guy..nice try good bye..if im all over the place its because the problem isnt just u..or you..nor liberal nOR GREEn NOR LABOUR..YET IT IS ALL OF YOU..the topic is slush funds..who is funding you?

such clever commentary..IS OFF TOPIC TROLL
BUT IF YOU EVER REPEAT IT..grayham makes you eat it[i got a week off for posting the same post twice..just so ya know thats the worst attempt at trolling mE BY NAME..i ever seen

the rot began in ya head/soon party loyalties will be proof of treason
soon party member ship will be held to account for the criminals you got elected..[what else could be expected]..your mindless off topic troll is hereby rejected.

OJ/QUOTE...<<..One Under No God>>

OING..[ISNT ME
but reasonably could my anti*thesus be]

thus the one you talk of..is you
often that we hate..in other we hate in ourself

so on this finE DAY..what finds initial speak to say?

<<>>

....... have you considered psychiatric assistance for yourself?
Posted by Nhoj, Friday, 2 May 2014 5:29:58 PM>>

sadly I HAVE TRIED REPEATEDLY
IN FACT THE REAL..joke is at my trial [6 may]..they will say the same

but the thing is sphychiatry has moved on/many other conspricucy 'theories'..have been proved fact..in this new age im not crazy/just informed and angry/but my anger only at destruction of self...by getting arrested..[its called suicide by cop]..its not a sphyc illness ass much as the new norm]..govt agent abused.

in fact im regarded as the new norm/
just watch your natzie kids [zieg heil]...their way int the new sparten age..[sorry austerity]

sure..im angry but self moderating my anger into the courts
who may in case of high treason..must report treason directly advise hrh to advise all sworn to serve here/and her heirs and successors[us]..to secure assets for a muster/audit..to se who has been good/bad..by next christmass..or sooner

im told by other this is the same as a pause button
opperation intervali..anyhow judgment day begins 6 may
lasts 10,000 years..or as long as i can afford to pay 30 bucks a day in commerce fees..

for what>..to save all pof us
one common wealth of fishers not fissures of men.
SHEPPARDS PROTECTING THEIR FLOCK..THE MORE THEY GIVE THE MORE THEY GET

its almost funny how a simplE POST TIME
LINES UP ..WITH A SEARCH TERM..IRELEVANT TO TOPC

SEE 4.20 REMINDS ME OF THE DRUG THING
[WHERE ALL SMOKERS LOOK ARROUND AT 4 .20..TO JOIN UP/BUT..SOMEHOW EVEN 4.20 IS SUBVERTED..very revealingly
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=OPERATION+4.20&i

damm caps

anyhow happy 4.20 lismore
I CANT COME..I GOT An army reunion on sunday..and court in brissie 6 th may..have to do the thing..proper way..so you put out there another phyc test..i allready passed 3 of them..bring it on

but dont just say im nuts
bring the facts the truth/proof..not just no names calling wrong names

Both the state Labor and Liberal governments have been, throughout the years, utterly corrupt. What we see revealed in the courts and investigations would only be the very tip of the iceberg.

Politics, by it's very nature, is a corrupt practice in and of itself .. regardless of the individuals and parties. And that's the best that homo sapiens can come up with. We are an incredibly primitive species.

Nhoj,

I don't entirely agree with you when you say;
"Politics, by it's very nature, is a corrupt practice in and of itself .. regardless of the individuals and parties."
Things could be a little more complex than simply how you have presented it.
Some people are criminal in nature, and will naturally take advantage of any opportunity presented. I think such people are a minority, even in politics, the next lot are those driven by circumstance, some through "necessary", it could be a gambling addiction, debts or whatever, these often actually have the intention to make good, they are more your criminal embezzlers, the money is there, or the bride is offered, so they take advantage, they see themselves often as oncers, but once hooked they get in deeper and deeper. The biggest group of shonks seem to be those who once obtaining power develop a sense of entitlement, generally over a long period of time, where they know what they are doing is "wrong", but they believe it is balanced by all the past "good" they have done so on balance its all okay. A final lot are people who have a very strong sense of right and wrong and no matter what, will not stoop to the level of corruption. I think the fact Liberal/Labor people have held the reigns of power for so long that the parties themselves have developed the notion of they have the "divine right to rule" and even though, generally through public pressure, make the laws that ultimately convict them of criminal activity, they have a distorted belief they are above such laws.
I can only speak for members of my own party and there are several Green MP's I know by their very nature would never countenance bribery. I'm sure such people exist in both the Labor and Liberal Parties as well.
These crooks often have all kinds of justifications, looking after a mate, speeding thing up, making it easier for people etc, etc, but its all criminal in the end.

Paul, the political system is the best system we have, and it's deeply flawed by it's very nature. Mankind is not smart enough to come up with anything better.

Why is it flawed? Because it requires a stance be taken, and for that stance to be argued for. Why is it argued for? So it can be implemented and the ideology of the perpetrator comes out on top and can be imposed on even people who don't agree (it's called democracy .. usually, but not always it's under 50% who don't agree). This applies to every political party, and every politician.

It's an extremely primitive way of accomplishing things, and throughout history variations of this approach have often led to coups, wars, fighting, aggression, threats and punishments.

The worst example is full dictatorships, and the best example is full democracy. Both ways are deeply flawed and highly primitive. Mankind knows of no better way. We are no more peaceful and ordered than the animal kingdom (although we "think" we are).

There is no hope for advancement in this regard unless we find a way to alter the intellectual biology of homo sapiens. That may or may not occur, and may or may not be tens of thousands of years away.

I have no personal respect for dictators or politicians. In a "choice", I would choose politicians because democracy is easily the best flawed system mankind has devised.

<<the political system is the best system we have, and it's deeply flawed by it's very nature. Mankind is not smart enough to come up with anything better.>>
Nhoj, I'll agree with that. Is there something better, I don't know, as you say, we are not smart enough to come up with anything better, if at all there is something better.
In Aussie, 99% of us are not directly involved in the political process to the extent that we are part of the decision making, we are very much on the outside looking in, if we are looking at all. We very much rely on our elected representatives to make the decisions for us, and in a complex society that is probably the best that can be achieved. The process is very much adversarial where the like minded (we call them political parties) congregate together and the one with the "majority" is given over as the decision making group, call them the government, with the rest forming what we call the opposition, with the objective of keeping the decision makers to account, and to offer some alternative advice. There are so many complexities, for example not every member of the government or opposition is of equal standing, and our representatives do not act in isolation, so many outside influences from the non elected.
Because of all this complexity the system is very open to abuse from within and without, and it is so hard to uncover. It would be naive to believe all past corruption has been uncovered, I'm sure politicians and others have got away Scot free time and again, when it comes to corruption and they will continue to get away with it in the future, but some will get exposed. Maybe they are only the real dumbos who get caught.
It is also naive to think good government is achieved by simply having the people march off once every 3 or 4 years, down to the local school hall, for half an hour, and cast a vote for one politician or another.

paul/quote..<<.Maybe they are only the real dumbos who get caught.>>

please paul..you must know..you can fall out of favour
and they dump you[havnt you noted how many of these out of left field promotions involve bankers>[GLOBALLY UKRANE TO GREECE TO ITALY TO NSW
JUST WATCH TURNCOAT AND HOCKKNEE

<<..It is also naive to think good government is achieved by simply having the people march off once every 3 or 4 years, down to the local school hall, for half an hour, and cast a vote for one politician or another.>>

YES..AND WE CAN FIX IT..only by 'decentralisation'
acting locally not globally..no big fish..in world wide ponds
but big fish in small ponds there to serve and protect/on caLL 24/7[LOCALLY]..FOLLOWING THE COMMON WEALTH GUIDEBOOK..as trustee over estates..not as gifts or 99 year leases...to mates.

HE/she..[member][proper atourney general]..under hrh.. CHAIRS THE CHAIR AS MAJOR..aND by commitie we chose who best to represent us federaly in what areas..ACORDING as we rewrite the ruLes by which we are governed..

DECENTRALISE ALL GOVT INTO SCHOOLS/WHERE SCHOOL BOUNDRY ENDS
so does the govts powers to act/police is run federaly/under the old marshal plan...[maybe the self same elected ag].

i saw a vision that govt was run..by concensus..betWEEN THE WOMANS HOUSE[SENET/AND THE MENS HOUSE THE REPS...EACH SENT BY THE SCHOOL MEETING/vote..held same time ,uch like party meetings of old/..but for the school/governance/doing the council stuff/shgaring expertize and obligations and machinery resources like the old vvillage system

suburbs divided into small 'town' size areas.own services fire hospice jails..decentralise get rid of too big to fail globally*

Hey people, get ready for 3 more posts in a row from "One Under No God", full of ummmm, ahhhh, let's see now .... gee I don't think a words been invented for that yet.

Hmm, I wonder if he'll now not write his usual several replies of ummm... whatever, because I wrote this? One can only hope, as nobody actually reads his post thingies anyway.

Phew, what a relief. One Under No God stayed away. Thank Zeus for small mercies.

Paul,

BoF made an emphatic false statement to ICAC and had to resign for accepting a bottle of wine. Given that this was not illegal, it was an act of stupidity.

It is interesting that liberals resign for a bottle of wine, but Juliar stays in power for setting up a fraudulent slush fund, and protecting the blatantly crooked Thomson.

The other ministers have to resign if they have broken the law.

However, the whole issue around "illegal" donations hinges around the Labor party seeing that it is about to lose power, suddenly bringing in laws to cut off the liberals off from funds that they had used for nearly 2 decades.

SHADOW MINER/quote.><<.However, the whole issue around "illegal" donations hinges around the Labor party seeing that it is about to lose power,>>

and settring up a spoilers
much like jonny howard tried to do with that 20 billion tax cut
that funny enough made a huge shortfall/too cleveer by half/but what the weak and pathetics will stoop to

<<..suddenly bringing in laws to cut off the liberals off from funds that they had used for nearly 2 decades.>>.

oR OVER NIGHT Out lawing hemp
or taxing smokers
or a fee on ya medicare

yeah our leaders are scum/what else ya got>?
i see them all serving their mates and the pub lickers servant malfeasance..SADLY MANY NOW RESIDE IN HELL..but to whom much was given much more was only to be expected

if that numb nut initial nodj dude had any info..or rebuttal..he wouldnt need post off topic troll..its a sad fact that atheists arnt gullible enough to think..out side their comfort zone..and god clearly frightens the poor cad...but then he thinks outside his STATION...and reveals he has got nuthin..

its sad but as they say/those god wishes to destroy..he allows them their obsessions..that destroy themself..he earns pitty not censure..poor begger got no life but trolling...at least we can say..[no doudt like his wife..says on the other threads]..

he is brief..in and out..
no fuss no bother...as a ''lover''..what a relief he is brief.
sadly im reduced to reply in a way he can comprehend..POOR BEGGER

Good afternoon to you ONE UNDER GOD - Johan...

Good on you mate, don't be put off by that thoroughly ignorant individual NHOJ. His/her objectionable behaviour on this Forum is more than likely as a result of a 'toyless childhood' (refer; DSM VI) from which he/she has yet to fully emerge ? Furthermore this individual regrettably, is truly narcissistic, as evidenced by his/hers persistent truculence and wholly abrasive attitude towards others, who are trying vainly to convey their own point of view on a particular topic ? All so very tiring unfortunately ?

Shadow,

I wont go over old ground, but your man Barry (maybe he's not your man) was set up by the extreme right (the drys) within the LIBERAL PARTY, backed by the Big End of Town. The whole affair was perpetrated for the sole purpose of installing one of their own, Michael Baird a member of the 'North Shore Mafia', in the top job. Baird will be very amenable to the privatising of the electricity polls and wires at the right price for the big end of town. something Barry had cold feet about, knowing the consequences for the people. The big loser's in such an act of bastardy will be the people of NSW, who once again will see electricity prices soar through the roof, as BB line their pockets.
No value in dredging up Gillard as a counter to what I say, I'll just agree with you, I'm no Labor supporter, I simply see them as the lesser of two evils, but at the state level they are on a par. Baird like Robertson, needs to come clean on their involvment in crooked politics in this state. I have no faith in either to do the right thing by the people. The only honest voice we have in NSW is THE GREENS. Bring on March 15.

Paul,

You are starting to sound like a conspiracy nut. But with all the backstabbing that goes on in the greens it is not surprising.

Selling old assets to build new assets makes financial sense, and with the infrastructure ignored after 16 years of labor something needs to be done.

Prices can't rise any more under than under the incompetent hand of Labor.

Here's a nifty headline:

"Treasurer for sale: Joe Hockey offers privileged access"

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/treasurer-for-sale-joe-hockey-offers-privileged-access-20140504-zr06v.html#ixzz30mfoDV8Y

"Treasurer Joe Hockey is offering privileged access to a select group including business people and industry lobbyists in return for tens of thousands of dollars in donations to the Liberal Party via a secretive fund-raising body whose activities are not fully disclosed to election funding authorities.

The Independent Commission Against Corruption is probing Liberal fund-raising bodies such as the Millennium Forum and questioning their influence on political favours in NSW.

Mr Hockey offers access to one of the country's highest political offices in return for annual payments."

"The donors are members of the North Sydney Forum, a campaign fundraising body run by Mr Hockey's North Sydney Federal Electoral Conference (FEC). In return for annual fees of up to $22,000, members are rewarded with "VIP" meetings with Mr Hockey, often in private boardrooms.

The North Sydney FEC officials who run the forum – which is an incorporated entity of the Liberal Party – say its membership lists and therefore the identities of its donors are "confidential". Mr Hockey also says details of who he is meeting and what is discussed are confidential."

The ICAC shark is circling.

Cue Jaws' theme.

Another LIBERAL snake uncovered in Canberra. This time its non other that the Federal Treasurer Lying Joe Hockey. Already receiving a very fat pay packet, in excess of $390K, complements of the taxpayer, Lying Joe wants more, more from the people. Hockey has been demanding and getting secret donations to the Liberal Party for "access" to him the Treasurer. Business types have been coughing up as much as $22k to have a VIP meeting with Lying Joe. The gall of this Liberal shyster, elected to serve the people and then demanding "cash" to do what they have been paid to do!
For our 'Usual Suspects' on OLO, remember don't ask to speak to you local Liberal MP, they may require a very hefty fee!

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/treasurer-for-sale-joe-hockey-offers-privileged-access-20140504-zr06v.html

Shadow, try to discredit the messenger, an old tactic "conspiracy nut" there are plenty of conspiracies and they are coming straight out of the Liberal Party!

Paul,

Here we go.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/give-to-the-liberal-national-party-win-a-bmw/story-e6frgczx-1226905281956#mm-premium

"Give to the Liberal national Party, win a BMW."

"QUEENSLAND’s Liberal Nat­ional Party has called on “business associates’’ to help sell tickets for a new fundraising venture, raising $500,000 through its own registered lottery with a first prize of a BMW.

As the NSW Independent Commission Against Corruption inquiry today resumes its investigation into the dubious fundraising of the NSW Liberal Party, it has emerged that the LNP is raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars through its registered “art union” that may never have to be publicly declared as political donations."

(love the BMW brand turning up in the cake mix "again")

Parrot and Paul,

Once again the rampant hypocrisy!

Donations for access to decision makers has been a consistent feature of every single state or federal government in living memory, especially Labor governments. I would stake my life on this still going for Shorten and Bowen to some extent.

Poirot,

LNP corruption in Queensland under 'Hard Boiled' Newman, a bit of deja vu. Reminds me of the days of Old Joh and the corrupt Queensland Nationals with the 'Minister for Everything' Russ Hinze, one of the most corrupt politicians Australia has ever seen, right up there with the Liberal Robin (Run Over The Bastards) Askin in NSW. Eddie Obeid would hardly rate alongside those two scoundrels.

SM,

I don't care who's doing it - it should be exposed and halted.

(you're calling us hypocrites - LOL!)

Abbott once tweeted:

"ICAC - This is Labor"

Turns out the pong is just as breathtaking from the LNP.

Parrot,

Are you really trying to equate the tens of millions of dollars of money corruptly gained by Obied, Macdonald, and other Labor MPs to the $3000 bottle of wine by BOF and the manipulation of donations law by others (which would hot have been illegal a few years ago)? Puleez!

Access to financial decision makers is important to the large players in business to understand what decisions are being made that effect them and to give feed back. The alternative is for the government to isolate themselves. This is not corruption.

What is corruption is the unions extorting funds from companies by means of threats.

Shadow Minister, because the side you hate is doing it, doesn't therefore excuse *YOUR* side who also do it. Get a grip and stop trying to be so politically correct. BOTH sides are wrong and corrupt.

Shadow Monster,

Well, LOL! to the max.

You are a doozy, aren't you?

Have you ever delved into the meaning of the word "principle".

When the other side is found corrupt, you're out there all guns blazing...but...but when your side is starting to emit a like effluvia, then off you go banging on about degrees.

O'Farrell didn't resign because of a $3,000 bottle of wine.

He resigned because it was obvious that he lied to ICAC.

He most vehemently denied having received the wine both to ICAC, and then "stupidly" compounded his lie by denying it even more forcefully to the waiting media.

"Access to financial decision makers is important to the large players in business to understand what decisions are being made that effect them and to give feed back. The alternative is for the government to isolate themselves. This is not corruption."

So you are telling me that this "access" has to be charged for?

That access at a price is "not" corruption?

Puhleeze!

There will always be slush funds while politicians need to raise money to get elected. Sign the voterland petition on GoPetition against bribing politicians and join a Resident Roundtable to influence what they do.

What do we have here?

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/meet-bill-shorten-for-3300-8211-labor-offers-business-leaders-exclusive-access-20140505-zr4us.html

Labor is offering business leaders exclusive access to Opposition Leader Bill Shorten before the federal budget, but it comes at a high price – $3300 for a boardroom lunch.

Time for the left whingers to eat crow!!

Shadow Sinister, thanks for your admission that *BOTH* political parties are corrupt in this way.

Now tell us, how are you trying to change "your" mob?

AS MANY WOULD KNOW IM IN MAGI*STRAIGHTS COURT 20..TOMORROW
i hope to MOVE the actual hearing in the queens court
this thread wil be but one of the reasons

[see smoking thread]
or catch twenty two ..or the snowden thread.

anyhow the headsup/this is what is going on all over the place
im going to prove it tomorrow.

no more secrets.
but also no winner...but no looser.
fair is fair/by proper wARRENT...[WAR RENT]

IM GOING IN UNCLE DENNIS.

Shadow Monster,

Your point?

I said earlier....

"I don't care who's doing it - it should be exposed and halted."

You said earlier...

"Access to financial decision makers is important to the large players in business to understand what decisions are being made that effect them and to give feed back...."

So I think "charging" for access to elected politicians is a corruption of our democratic process.

You seem to think it's just dandy.

I have no problem with our elected representatives meeting with business leaders, as they should meet with a whole range of interested parties on many issues. Discussion with business leaders, worker representatives, community, a whole range of stakeholders and even ordinary citizens. Such meetings are vital for politicians to assist them in gaining knowledge to make informed decision in the best interest of all.
What Hockey is doing is wrong, charging for access gives those who can pay an advantage over those who can't. There is also a strong suspicion these payments allowed one to "buy" favor with the Treasurer.
Next week Hockey is to fill out his budget form, it might be more appropriate if he was to fill out his resignation form instead.

Any politician, or person in any public office like a mayor etc etc, who charges money for anyone or any group to speak to him in his official capacity --- DESERVES A PRISON SENTENCE.

It is utter corruption, and nothing else. And the pollies have been engaging in this open corruption for a very long time indeed. In fact, they often encourage it, and are proud of it.

Hmmmm....

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/missing-liberal-donations-declared-four-years-later-20140505-zr515.html#ixzz30qmRRRcS

"The Liberal Party of NSW last month declared a four-year-old donation of $25,000 from the Warringah Club, a fundraising entity associated with Prime Minister Tony Abbott, as well as amending its most recent returns to declare more than $100,000 in political donations including in-kind support to Joe Hockey’s Federal Electoral Committee.

The amended returns were received by the Australian Electoral Commission on April 5, 2014, as the Independent Commission Against Corruption was preparing to begin public hearings into political donations channelled to a company associated with a staff member in the office of Terrigal MP Chris Hartcher, uncovered during Operation Spicer."

"In 2010-11 the NSW Liberal Party declared it had received $50,000 from the Warringah Club, but has now declared another $25,000.
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The Warringah Club is operated by accountant Peter Polgar and serves as a fundraising body for Mr Abbott in his electorate of the same name. In 2010-11, an election year, it received $127,142 in funds of which $96,534 came from the Liberal Party’s NSW office. The source of the remainder of the funds was not disclosed but is likely from membership fees and fundraisers. It also channels money back to the Liberal Party by way of donations."

Poirot, The old adage of "Do the crime, do the time." Doesn't apply to these Liberal scoundrels, it more a case of "Do the crime, all will be fine."

I find THE GREENS policy on donations rather refreshing compared to the Liberal/labor shenanigans. Maybe it goes a long way to explain why no GREENS are caught up in this toxic affair.

http://nsw.greens.org.au/policies/democracy-participation-elections

John,

It's a pity that your definition of corruption bears no resemblance to reality.

Paying a politician to achieve a desired outcome is corruption. "donations" for access is not unless you want to jail every politician in the last century.

Political parties are not funded by taxpayers, but by donations, and frothing at the mouth because the world does not comply with your expectations is pathetic.

One can equally claim that because the unions fund the Labor party and fund the party through union members fees that this is corrupt.

<<Paying a politician to achieve a desired outcome is corruption>>

So said Shadow Minister, very noble thought there Shadow. Lets look at the following one, Nathen Tinkler, property developer and tens of thousands of dollars in illegal donations to the National Party before the 2011 NSW State election, and the Newcastle coal loader projrct. Tinkler exploded shortly after the election that he had "donated to the nats" and they were doing "f---all" to approve a proposed $1 billion coal loader in Newcastle to be constructed by his company 'Buildev'. This was contained in a Tinkler email dated 20th April 2011, one month after the election of the O'Farrell Government. Tinkler was scathing of the Nationals not moving fast enough for him, after all he had paid the Nationals good money in the form of a donation for that approval! The slush fund that 'Builddev' and other property developers made illegal donations to was set up by an adviser to Chris Hartcher.

The ICAC inquiry into Liberal Party Slush Funds is expected to adjourn to give investigators time to examine startling new evidence.

Shadow, I totally agree with you, like to comment on the above.

Paul,

You seem to be struggling with the concept of a donation.

People donate money to organisations in the belief that the organisation will strive towards goals that they share. I donate to the Salvos because I want to help the homeless, and they are better equipped to achieve this than I am. Similarly I donate to the libs, as I am appalled by the incompetence of Labor. In both cases most of the objectives of the money I give are achieved, and some are not.

Corruption is where the money is paid with the express understanding between both parties that the payment is contingent only on achieving a predetermined outcome.

Labor has a record of being unbelievably slow in approving projects, with many in Queensland still waiting years after receiving the tick of approval from the EPA etc. The coalition has a record of not wasting $billions with undue delays, and the coalition being in power is the best way to get rid of this bureaucratic incompetence.

What is clear from NT's email is that his expectations of more rapid approval have not been met. What is lacking is any indication that the donation was solely contingent on the approval, or that this was understood by the people receiving the donation. All there is is innuendo. There is no signed document, no photo ID etc.

The final logical block in this argument is that the approval did not occur, and it can be conclusively shown that government outcomes were not influenced by the donation. Ipso facto there was no corruption.

SM "There is no signed document, no photo ID etc." You sound like Back Bench Barry, on the Tuesday night, before the Wednesday morning execution. Political "donations" from developers like Tinkler are illegal under NSW state law, even in 2011.
Shadow, like so many Al Capone "donations" to politicians! Do you know anything of Nathen Tinkler.
Did anyone catch the ABC news. Oh! how the might have fallen, there was 'Back Bench' Barry, looking all forlorn sitting way back there on the back bench. I almost felt sorry for the bloke, looking downcast, not having shaved for a week, still wearing the same shirt he was knifed in, grubby blood stained white shirt, swigging from a cheap $3 bottle of Penfolds plonk. Oh! how the mighty have fallen, I do believe Barry was seen later up Belmore Park, shearing a flagon of brown musket, with his new mates. See where drink can lead you.

Referring to ID's was a jab at the corrupt Labor MPs.

Changes to NSW political donation laws (the Election Funding, Expenditure and Disclosures Act 1981) came into effect on 9 March 2012.

Prior to this there were no limits, only disclosure requirements.

Notably the single biggest donation went to the Greens of nearly $1m, who by this logic are the most corrupt, the next highest came from the Unions to Labor.

As to Barry, It sounds like Juliar after she was used and cast aside by the labor blokes, disheveled and downcast doing the walk of shame to the back bench. Much like Brown eyed Bob who "resigned" to spend time with his family.

Shadow, well trying to label The Greens as corrupt! ROTFLMFAO!
Clutching at straws mate. The latest is $100,000 in bribes, sorry "donations" being paid to a company linked to former state Liberal minister Chris Hartcher in exchange for his and others support for the controversial Orange Grove factory outlet in Liverpool.

read all about it.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/icac-nabil-gazal-entertained-chris-hartcher-on-luxury-yacht-but-denies-paying-100000-in-bribes-20140507-zr605.html

A stack of Liberals being wined and dined as they enjoyed free bees complements of Gazal, the mob behind of the Orange Grove development in Liverpool Sydney. Hartcher organised a cruise for his colleagues aboard the Gazals' luxury cruiser. Other Liberals enjoyed free holidays complements of Gazal.

Shadow I have to ask, when you donate to the Liberal Party, do you get to talk to Joe and Tony?

It might have been a pathetic last hurrah from Shadow, trying to implicate The Greens in corruption, as I said pathetic, simply pathetic.
Time to report what going down at the NSW ICAC. Who took the stand and shot herself in the foot, none other than the Liberal Marie Ficarra, accused of lying after she claimed shy was "busy" on the day she allegedly solicited an illegal $5,000 "donation" from property developer Tony Merhi, despite what SM tries to make out, before the 2011 NSW election it was illegal for property developers to donate to political parties. We Greens have been extremely suspicious since the last election of the Liberal Government with all the development approvals (98% in fact) it was giving the nod to. Ficarra is now trying to come clean by claiming some of her earlier evidence under oath to the ICAC was "unknowingly wrong"! Not good enough sweetheart we'll expect you resignation forthwith!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-09/icac-ficarra-calls-own-evidence-unknowingly-wrong/5442046

i keEP HOPING THAt we can remove..THE BLINDERS FROM OUR OWN EYES/..BUT BY DIVIDE AND CON QUEER..ALL WE Can see..is the tiny splinters from each others eyes.

I SEE A DAY..WHEN WE STAND AS ONE AGAINST AL CORRUPTION
GOVT HAS BECOME A TOOL FOR OPPRESSION/BY DIVIDE AND CONqueer.

as long as we fighting each other
the truelly vile laugh..OK IF YOUR TROLling for money/your a hooker
iF YOU TROLL FOR*..THE party/whats youR DEAL?..YOU HERE TO LEAD OR HEAD OFF*..the point beiNG TEAM SPIRIT=PARTY LOYALTY..then vesus us..the elite and the rest..some getting cruumbs..others getting nuthin

the queens huSBAND FORMED THE GREEN MOVEMENT/bob brown quiot because of the fact he is woRKING FOR A US GOVT AGENCY...anything that keeps the party sYSTEM..IS RUN BY THE SYSTE,

it gave churches tax free staus/because peopLe..wanted govt regulATION TO BE HIGHER THAN GOD..when wil you see individually/we have much in common..[eveN IF WE ARE BIND TO THE SINS OF 'OUR SIDE'/THERE LIES THE PROBLEM..GOVT = OFF Side..its on the side OF THE EXPLOITERS RUNNING THE 2 AND A HALF PARTY SYSTEM

THE SECOND..you form a new party
thE FIRST MEMBER/SUPPORTER IS MOSSAD..THE SECOND will be THE STRONGEST OPPOSING PARTY/TO WATCH YOU...how can you who know..stay mute..govt= too big/too self servinG

its time to say
none OF THE ABOVE...[where is the love..{?}]

OUG, no tiny splinters in these Liberal and Labor eyes, they are whopping great logs!

Paul,

You showed a link to the green's policy on donation, yet they are the ones that first broke it in the most spectacular fashion, accepting a donation from Wotif of nearly $1m. Did they respectfully decline the donation? not a chance, as the greens are the biggest hypocrites.

As for donations for developmental projects, the greens are unlikely to receive donations because:
1 They oppose everything except sunshine and fluffy kittens,
2 They have never been in any position to do anything useful,
3 They are supremely incompetent.

As for the increase in approvals since the libs got in, the Labor green alliance approved very few projects, even after consultation, EPA tick off, local approval, etc. All that was missing was final approval, and for years the labor green alliance simply did nothing and wasted $billions. All the libs are doing is clearing the backlog of labor/green incompetence.

Shadow, your feeble attempt to some how implicate the Greens in corruption is pathetic in the extreme. So the new slant on Liberal Party developer corruption is as you put it "clearing the backlog" yeah and lining their own pockets at the same time.

As for donations for developmental projects, the greens are unlikely to receive donations because: (they don't line their own pockets like some in the Liberal Labor Parties)
1 They oppose everything except sunshine and fluffy kittens, (The Liberal would approve a Plutonium Plant in Pitt Street if the money was right)
2 They have never been in any position to do anything useful, (except expose Liberal Labor corruption)
3 They are supremely incompetent. (Unlike O'Farrell, Obeid, Hartcher etc etc)

Shadow you said you "donate" to the Liberal Party?
Are you a developer, does your "donation" go into a 'slush fund', or directly into a Liberal MP's pocket? Is your "donation" big enough to let you talk to Joe Cockey?

And just to finish, What about Ficarra, claimed she was "busy" on the day evidence pointed to her soliciting a "donation" from a property developer, busy with her pet poodle Fefe, getting its hair done, and a manicure down at the saloon. or some such nonsense. The lawyer at the tribunal at one point had to tell her to shut up about her dog and stop telling porkies!

Shadow I will understand if you do not reply, this is rather a no contest!

Shadow, I need a favour of you, if I may, as I believe you are in a spelinded position to grant such.

As you may be aware, every year I award the 'Rex Jackson Memory Trophy' to the most corrupt poly in the Labor Party, Eddie Obeid has taken out the award for the past 3 years running, despite a bumper field of worthy candidates. We hold the presentation in D Division at Long Bay Penitentiary. Always well attended by Labor luminaries and would be's if they could be's. Until his departure i was ably assisted with this herculean task by x-formumite Belly, who would supply the names of a couple of dozen Labor lags, and along with no small input from the lawyers down at the ICAC, I would determine a winner.
Now, this is where you come in, I was thinking many in the Liberal Party would be jealous with Labor getting all that attention. So I propose, with your assistance to instigate the 'Robin Askin Memorial Shield' for the most corrupt Liberal for the proceeding year. If you could supply the list of worthy nominees, please limit it to no more than 50. Along with the assistance of the ICAC we'll come up with a well deserved winner! I was thinking we should hold the presentation in A Block at Silver Water Correctional Facility, there will be plenty to drink, as Barry has an abundant supply of 59' Grange for us to slurp on, free, sorry at $3k a bottle, we'll take it out of the slush fund. I was going to get Joe Cockey as guest speaker, but Joe wan't $22K for the gig, not worth it, besides who would want to listen to Joe's dribble, even if it was free, could you find out what Tax 'Em Tony would charge for his dribble, please?

Looking forward to your assistance with this.
p/s Ppossibly you could pen a Liberal Party song for the occasion. Maybe a variation on the following.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7gV5C5mB7A

Didn't The Age report that Graeme Wood, worth $372 million and a director of Wotif allegedly gave $1.6 million to the Greens for election advertising? He was also reported as saying that he wasn't the only rich person giving big $$ to the Greens.

Maybe Paul1405 could check with his 'Watermelon' Greens faction including Lee Rhiannon (Brown) and the serially whining featherweight Shoebridge and confirm.

While Paul1405 is at it he might confirm if there is truth in the persistent rumour of NSW Greens links with a certain overseas billionaire currency speculator who nearly sent the Bank of England broke with his currency deals.

The Greens are shameless in putting their begging bowl out to young lowly paid students where Greens' 'environment' policies are just fronts for the pink social agenda of trendy urban professionals and there are large donations rolling in from wealthy benefactors. A thin green skin to conceal the red mass within.

Australians rightly get very concerned where any direct or indirect links with wealthy overseas interests may not always be divulged. That applies to all political parties and certainly to the 'one world government' Greens who may not always have the best interests of young Aussie couples at heart.

OTB,

Isn't it amusing that the more you remind Paul of the Green's corruption, the more strident he gets accusing everyone else.

Paul,

Perhaps you could put forward the 20 most corrupt Green MPs, or 50 if you include councillors. I was going to suggest you put forward competent MPs, but then I realised that it would be a no show.

Just when I've kicked the walking stick. out from under Shadow on this, who should come charging in, mounter on his 'Zimmer' frame, none other that me olde sparing (the very lightweight) partner Beach!
A few ground rules Beach, before we start.

1 No you can't invoke the demented wisdom of that silly old Miss Marple character of yours and her stupid references to the Hibernian society, or the blind society, or what ever society she and you prattle on about.

2 NO, no, no, I'm not going to contribute to any slush fund run by the 'Poodle Paperer', Liberal Marie Ficarra. I'll leave that to Shadow.

3 I'm not going to chip in to your "Elect Jim Saleam Campaign' no matter how many developers you have already signed up.

Anyway Beach, all is not lost for you and Shadow! You two are in for a real treat! I do believe they are serving 'tapioca pudding' tonight at the nursing home, yum! You and Shadow are in for a real yummy treat there, and you wont even have to take your teeth out for that one. Remember as Nursey says, "Always take your medication", and "lights out, 7 o'clock SHARP!"
Good night, and god bless.

Paul,

You didn't take your own advice "Always take your medication". You are starting to babble randomly like other less lucid posters.

Perhaps this is a psychotic episode resulting from Paul's fantasy collapsing and his beginning to realise that the greens are a bunch of redneck deluded idiots. From the schizophrenic Rhiannon, the neurotic Bandt, and the alien whispering Brown eye Bob, the back stabbing is only overshadowed by the complete failure to apply their avowed standards to themselves.

Tasmania is the best example of their pernicious effect where de industrialisation of the state has lead the lowest school and economic performances, where a huge portion of jobs and and state revenue is from the hand outs from other states.

Shadow Minister wrote in angst and judgement about Paul, "you are starting to babble randomly".

Then immediately afterwards, Shadow Minister wrote:

(1)"perhaps this is a psychotic episode from Paul's fantasy ...."

(2)"a bunch of red neck deluded idiots"

(3) "alien whispering", "schizophrenic", "neurotic" ... when describing people

CONCLUSION = Shadow Minister's backstabbing is only overshadowed by his complete failure to apply his avowed standards to HIMSELF.

Shadow, Beach chimed in trying to assist your feeble attempt to divert the whole affair onto The Greens, pathetic, simply pathetic. You just can't rely on Beach, who is in La La Land on pretty well everything.
Why don't you start you own thread since your so "concerned" about Green corruption. I'll even suggest a title 'Slush Funds and the Green Party'. the 'Usual Suspects' down at the nursing home will join with you having a field day, falling over themselves making their usual nonsensical posts.
I have seen the "LIGHT" and like you I want to "DONATE" to the Liberal Party. I'm not sure what to do. Do I pay it straight into The Slush Fund. If I pay by cheque should I make it payable to The Liberal Party Slush Fund or Chris Hartcher himself, on second thoughts don't want cheques do we, ICAC and all that. Maybe I can slip it into some Liberal Party hack's back pocket, or give it to her poodle. Which is your preferred option for donating to the Party? Slush fund, back pocket, hack, poodle, Hartcher direct. Then again they could be like Robin Askin, he preferred his payola in a brown paper bag, did he not!

Paul1405,

What is it with you and the Greens that you must continually disrespect the elderly? There wouldn't be a thread go by without your ageist comments and insults that negatively stereotype the senior citizens who have supported you with their work and taxes, and in many cases have fought to protect the freedom you enjoy. A freedom you abuse by slandering them.

It is a Greens' thing that suspicion, jealousy (of their hard-won assets) and contempt for the elderly.

Not that the urban trendies and 'Watermelon' Trotskyists who mould Greens policy have any regard for young Aussie couples either. The Greens are forever telling young Aussie couples that they should not have the children they want but should continue working to support a flood of economic migrants from the Greens' Open Door immigration policy.

Beach, I don't disrespect the elderly , many are very sensible people and vote Green. In fact I'm one of them. I just disrespect the 'Usual Suspects'.

there is a thing..I HEARD OF
its called divide AND CONQUER

THE BASIC IDEA.is foR YOU TWO MONGRELS/TO FIGHT EACH OTher
not the one raping ya WIFES AND CHILDREN

http://xrepublic.tv/node/8833

i was goiNG TO START A THREAD/AND THERE ISNT ONE OF..YOU..I wouldnt give my vote to.if YOU WERE RUNNING..BUT WHO TO GIVE MY PRIME VOTE TO
would be SHADELOW/ he just has to be a former or sitting member.IN A REAL GOVt.

paul has strong links to the gREENS..[WHO I FOUND WERNT LIstening]
from what i gather most on the forum ARE OR WOULD MORE NATURALLY BE LIBERAL VOTERS..INDEEd this blessed site exists /by a true liberaL/NOT JUSTT IN WORD.

BUT THE THING IS our bogging hasnt chamged much
INDEED I FEAR OUR FEARS HAVE GIVEN IGNORANTE ELITES Only new ideas

IM DEAD INSIDE..THIS DIVIDE AND CON THING HAS to end

now shadows pals are seling the 'ROYAL'/MINT?
SELING OUT TO THE GOLD STEALING THING GOING DOWN GOBBaly

seling off our gold ike they stole the common wealTH BANK /FOR PENNIES WHEN THE 'REAL GOD' VAlue is 10 fOLD THAT PAPER GOLD PROMISE TRADING [at ten fold al the gold ever mined]

THEY ARE SELLING OFF OUR 'TREASUURE
THE Queens treaiures of the cauegold silver they stoe from the cupRANICKLE COIN/IT REPLACED

THEY CANNOT SELL THE FAMIY SIVER*
stand togather on some thing

debasing the queens coin is high treason*
high treason in time of war=death*..wake up folks
thoSE GIRLS/SCHOO WAS NOTICED 4 DAYS EARY/teachers sent their own kids home/it might work well that micjael spoke instead of mr pres/but its all media redirection as they stea away our teasure/to get vaue for their worthess baiout caSH

HODING THE REAL THING
CAuse so much 4 quadriullions of fake paper out there
SOON Your savings will be gone..but you WI HOLD PROMISE OF Shares[in empty vaults with printing machines in them.

http://www.mybudget360.com/global-debt-total-central-bank-balance-sheet-expansion-debt/
http://xrepublic.tv/node/8833

Fortunately, in the New South Wales Parliament we still have some honest politicians, who would not sully their name and reputation or that of their parties by succumbing to the temptations of bribery and corruption as many within both the Labor and Liberal parties have. Most here, such people as Shadow Minister and Onthebeach would instantly recognise these particular Parliamentary Members as indeed, the finest we have in New South Wales.

In alphabetical order they are;

Jan Barham MLC
Jeremy Buckingham MLC
Mehreen Faruqi MLC
John Kaye MLC
Jamie Parker MLA, Member for Balmain
David Shoebridge MLC

You can read more about these outstanding individuals, while your at it you can also read about New South Wales finest Senator.
Senator Lee Rhiannon

http://nsw.greens.org.au/nsw-mps

Come March 2015 and we will be adding several new names to the list!

@Paul1405, Monday, 12 May 2014 8:06:08 AM, "I don't disrespect the elderly"

Just because you deny something it doesn't dispel what your behaviour clearly demonstrates.

What is it with the multitude of ageist insults you direct at posters when you disagree with then? What about your comments on Zimmer walking frames, nursing homes, tapioca pudding and so on? You cannot use negative stereotypes of the elderly and you are a prolific poster of them, without being prejudiced against the aged.

Yet at the same time you accuse other posters and usually unfairly and without any factual basis, of 'discrimination'.

As far as discrimination goes, your relentless negative stereotyping and abuse of the elderly makes you a superb example of the discrimination you allege against others and usually most unfairly too.

You say you stood unsuccessfully for the Greens in the recent NSW local government elections. You make a lot out of your claimed closeness with NSW Greens 'Watermelon' faction members Lee Rhiannon (Brown) and that whining lightweight Shoebridge. Your very jaundiced opinions of seniors and your hateful slurs against them must be well known by NSW Greens, yet the NSW Greens put you up for election to represent the very people you habitually dismiss, sledge and slur with your offensive ageism.

What makes you believe as you so obviously do, that such disrespect, jealousy and blaming of the elderly is acceptable and probably par for the course in NSW Greens circles? To be accepted and even chosen as a Greens candidate you must be aping jaundiced attitudes to the elderly and retired that already exist (and they do!) in the Greens.

Paul,

I do recognise your list of incompetents led by the what appears to be schizophrenic Rhiannon. This group of jabbering simians whose singular preoccupation is throwing poo at everyone and everything is quite happy to take a million dollar corporate bribe and to stop everyone from doing anything.

Another 'Liberal Porker' has rolled over and squealed at the ICAC. This time it was Ray Carter the alleged bagman for none other than top Liberal and former O'Farrell Minister Chris Hartcher. Carter was squealing loudly before the Commission, and talking big bucks, in fact he claimed to have funneled no less that $165,000 through one mob straight into Liberal coffers! More to come from that porker tomorrow, and I'm sure he wont disappoint!

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/05/12/08/34/final-week-of-public-hearings-for-icac

On top of this bit of corruption, another Liberal high flyer in the form of Newcastle MP Tim Owen has bitten the dust. Owen announced he was quitting politics in light of allegations aired against him at the Independent Commission Against Corruption (ICAC) hearings in Sydney.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/05/12/12/55/icac-claims-another-scalp

These Liberals are falling like nine pins!

Shadow, could I prevail upon you to supply a comparable list of "Honest" NSW Liberal Politicians? 'ROFFLES' TO THAT ONE!

With confessed Liberal 'bagman' Ray Carter making serious claims before the ICAC, claims such as, he was "on a roll-people were throwing money at me" and "everybody knew". Soon the duckers and weavers in the Liberal Party are going to have to come clean and tell all as to what they did know, people like Barry O'Farrell and Mike Baird can't hide forever! I say to them if you know something, and its hard to believe you don't, then now is the time to spill your guts! Fess up fellas, the people of New South Wales want the truth before March 2015.

While Tax Em' Tony, and Joe Cockey were busy kicking the crap out of the Aussie Battlers in Canberra. Here in NSW it was another day of 'shock and awe' at the Liberal Parties favorite gathering place the ICAC. the Libs didn't disappoint with Hartcher lackey and fetch it boy Tim Koelma, being warned about lying, then Koelma was shown bank statements, where thousands of dollars were regularly deposited in Liberal MP Christopher Spence account shortly after similar amounts were withdrawn from a bank account belonging to Eightbyfive, the alleged sham business at the center of the corruption inquiry. It is alledged the 2011 state election campaign of Spence was financed by money from property developers disguised as invoices to the sham business.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/14/icac-told-former-nsw-liberal-mps-2011-campaign-financed-by-developers

Can any of the 'Usual Suspects' on OLO recommend a quality establishment, preferably in easy walking distance of ICAC HQ where this bunch of Liberal shysters can get a stiff Gin & Tonic after a day's hard yabbering at the ICAC? remember a quality establishment with defiantly no riff raff. Lying is exhausting work! Shadow you'll be up for it, wont you?

Been a very busy week down at the New South Wales ICAC with "Liberal Rats" being flushed out of their sewers, left, right and center. A regular performer at the Commission, Labor's Eddie Obeid managed to score another dishonorable mention, just one of many such mentions for Obeid over the past months.
A company closely associated with Obeid, ERM Power which supplies power to NSW Government Departments including Parliament House in Macquarie Street as well as Governement House. The Obeid company was awarded NSW government contracts worth close to $1 billion last month. Seems now both Premier Baird and Governor Bashir are getting their electric light supplied complements of Eddie and the Rats (Could be a rock band)!
When asked on Friday if he had any concerns about the awarding of these contracts, NSW Liberal Energy Minister Anthony Roberts said: ''No!''. Maybe Minister Roberts should have a turn in the ICAC witness box! Flush out what he knows!

I find it most interesting that none of the 'Usual Suspects' on OLO, except for a rather pathetic attempt by Shadow and Beach to counter smear The Greens, it was a pathetic attempt, absolutely pathetic. Unlike Liberal and Labor corruption there is absolutely no substance to these stupid counter claims.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/obeid-linked-to-winner-of-contracts-worth-1-billion-20140516-38fhq.html

they..get elected to feather their own nests
but truelly we got better govt/than we deserve[earned].

sad that coruption has bought the high down so low
but the system tells you what to do/or your not in the in crowd/in fact right at the outer/and that kills these attention junkies.

to the abbot
*A letter to the Cardinals

On 19 April, I began a hunger strike at the gates of the Vatican to compel Pope Francis to break the code of silence with respect to covert methods of depopulation that have been ongoing since 1945
http://intellihub.com/letter-cardinals/

and to which the Church has been privy since it received full observer status at the World Health Organization in 1952....

http://12160.info/forum/topics/worldwide-march-against-monsanto-may-24-2014
http://12160.info/page/convicted-of-felonies-banks-are-allowed-to-stay-in-business

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkVc5o1UXAA

Paul keeps forgetting the corruption of the greens taking massive donations in spite of their published policy of not doing so.

These little gotchas that Paul loves to parrot, is not actually corruption, but a handful of liberal MPs circumventing the donation Laws that Labor put in place once it realised that was likely to lose the next election and wanted to cut off the supply of funds to the liberals.

So Paul, the questions you have continually ignored are:
- Did the greens get a $1m donation?
- Was this against the greens published policy on donations?
- Will the greens front up to ICAC and explain themselves?