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Why Political Dogma is Dead

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A lot of you seem to think that the US is somehow equivalent to Nazi Germany, but what we are really dealing with is a globalising cosmopolitan elite with no particular loyalty to any nation state. Is Nestle, which encouraged mothers in poor countries to buy infant formula, which they could not afford and could not prepare hygienically, instead of breast-feeding, somehow morally superior to another multinational that happens to be based in the US? Ordinary Americans certainly haven't benefited from the US being a superpower. Anyone who doubts this should take a look at the graphs in State of Working America, for example this one, which shows that most American men are receiving lower real wages than in 1979

http://www.stateofworkingamerica.org/chart/swa-wages-figure-4c-change-real-hourly-wages/

If the Australian government goes along with the US government, it is because both of them are working for the same people.
Posted by Divergence, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 1:24:38 PM
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Sonofgloin made a good reference to the TPP, so here's a Wiki link explaining what it is, what countries are involved, and how even the American Congress is being kept in the dark, while companies like Halliburton are privy to information...http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership. The last news article I read about it, stated that it involved the largest 600 companies of the member countries (us included), and that those companies will have more rights than any citizen OR GOVERNMENT.

Bazz...yes that one with the Spanish subtitles is the the one we watched. Annoying, yes, but it was easily accessible. I don't know if there's a DVD version available as I haven't looked, but there should be.

Globalization is the NWO, with conglomerates having no national loyalties, just head offices located somewhere...somewhat like a Hydra. Ironically, it could be Russia and China that are the stumbling blocks for it all. Russia wants no part of it, and China, as always, is its own master because it can be.

But I fear for Australia's future...we're a Commonwealth country whose biggest ally is America, but our biggest trading partner is China. We know that superpowers don't fight in their own backyard but in the yards of others, and that we have more resources than you can poke a stick at. So when the US and China come to blows, where will that fight be fought? It seems to me the most likely place would be right here, in order to control and access resources. I think we're walking a political tightrope right now (with no safety net) since we can't offend either America nor China...but it's often difficult in making one happy, not to offend the other.
Posted by Dick Dastardly, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 2:24:33 PM
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Dick, your last paragraph is 100% accurate. It shows how Australia will pay a heavy price for being the servant of 2 corrupt countries - China and the USA.

These 2 corrupt countries WILL eventually come to blows. The USA will NEVER accept that it's not top dog anymore, and China desperately wants to be top dog and will get there in 5-10 years. I predict a nuclear war of aggression between those 2 countries sometime within the next 50 years. Both the USA and China would be quite happy to sacrifice Australia if they consider that to be in their interests. By being the servant of both those countries, we become a target for both those countries when they eventually go to war.
Posted by Nhoj, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 3:37:04 PM
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Dick, I think we are already seeing the end of China's climb to
prominence.
China has been running a 10% growth rate for some time now but they
are now falling to 7% or thereabouts. If they attempt to maintain
7% growth rate they WILL crash as there is no hope that the Chinese
economy can double in 10 years. It is just impossible, there is just
not enough energy and resources to do that. Already they have scooped
up most of the resources in the world but energy is the limiting factor.
Just think about China having an economy twice the size it is now !
It just cannot happen.
Posted by Bazz, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 4:13:29 PM
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Talking about China ...

Over two centuries ago, Napoleon commented that
China was, "a sleeping giant, and when she wakes,
she will shake the world." Much the same could be
said today.

Mao died in 1976, and his successors were faced
with a society in stagnation. Gradually, the new
Chinese leadership under Deng Xiaping abandoned many
of Mao's policies and cautiously introduced reforms that
seem to be taking China down the "capitalist road."

The new regime seems to be pragmatic, lavishly praising
communist ideals but much more interested in
immediate results' as Deng commented, "It doesn't matter
what colour a cat is, so long as it catches mice."

Inevitable reform is spreading. Planning is
being decentralised and limited private enterprise is
permitted. Old time Chinese communists are apparently
resentful of the changes taking place, arguing that the
use of incentives will revive class differences.

Many experts feel that China is now irrevocably embarked
on the path to industrialisation and modernisation.
Yet China has a long way to go. It is still determinedly
socialist and authoritarian.

It will be interesting to see how far the country will
stray from the socialist path and whether economic
liberalisation will in turn lead to political
democratisation.

Given China's size and potential, its economic future
will be of world-historical significance.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 4:28:03 PM
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Foxy
There is an answer for the people. Revolution! take to the streets armed and dangerous and protest your exclusion just as they have done in every country in the world.
Stand up and fight otherwise oppression and political issolation will rule supreme.
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Tuesday, 29 April 2014 6:36:39 PM
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