Nhoj, every word you've used to express your POV is a human construct, as are their definitions. Your assertion that it's only our definition is merely stating the obvious. Implying that there are other definitions as defined by other species is pure supposition that you can't prove...unless you're about to claim to be Dr Doolittle, in which case I'd suggest to see a psychiatrist.

Why don't you start a thread entitled "The End is Nigh" to preach your doom and gloom? Or do you plan to shuffle off your mortal coil to beat the Christmas rush?

Cheers.

Dick, everything a human says and thinks is a "human construct", it cannot be anything else. I did not say there's other definitions of intelligence "as defined by other species". Other species on Earth "define" nothing as they don't think in human terms, just as we can't think in animal terms. We judge an animal's intelligence according to "our" parameters only, because we know of no other possible way. Nature itself controls our understanding, and currently in human evolution we have absolutely ZERO choice in the matter.

What I'm saying is because we are homo sapiens we can only think as "homo sapiens". And our species generally considers itself to be a superior species. But, we can only measure that supposed superiority in terms of the way that only homo sapiens decrees. That's a human construct, and we have no choice in that matter because we can't perceive outside the parameters that nature has provided within our intellectual biology (our specific type of brain).

We are an incredibly primitive species and consider ourselves to be highly superior (which is a human construct). We equate domination with superiority ... that's a part of our primitive survival instinct.

Nhoj, this is a political discussion. Not science, not philosophy, not technology, not even doom and gloom. If you want to discuss those things, start a thread for each, as you're derailing this one. By the sentiment of your posts, we should all just bend over and kiss our asses goodbye. Strangely, a few of us aren't ready to leave yet, nor do we want to instil a sense of no hope for our children or their children. There have been doomsday sayers throughout history...join the queue. This is about how we might try to regain some social parity with the conglomerates currently ruling the planet.

Cheers.

Oh Gawd, the conspiracy nuts have arrived.
Dick the Americans did not invent radar or computers either for that matter.
Goodbye.

Bazz, disagreeing with events espoused by professional liars (politicians) doesn't make someone a "nut". We're all free to agree or disagree with anything put in front us. But insulting and ridiculing someone that disagrees with you or conventional belief, and then refusing to partake in reasoned argument, speaks more of you than it does of me.

The topic isn't about conspiracies, but do yourself a favour and Google secret war documents pertaining to WWII and Pearl. It was also reported in our local papers here at the time of the release of those documents, which is where I originally read of it. 9/11 is a different issue, and if you want to believe Washington, that's your choice. But I believe that administration were war criminals who committed crimes against humanity, defied international law and killed some of their own citizens. This is the same group that endorsed "rendering"...the kidnapping and torturing of people...I fail to see how anyone can see them as wearing white hats, or that it's beyond them to perform other criminal deeds. But it's your choice.

Bazz, and BTW, you were in boots and all about "Inside Job", which amounts to a conspiracy to defraud millions people of their money, rewarding those conspirators with government positions. So a conspiracy that you believe in is a valid conspiracy, but one that you don't believe is only proffered by "nuts", huh?