Of course Ludwig owns the road you fool Nhoj, who do you think paid for them. It certainly was not bike riders. If the twits want somewhere to ride those things, they should pay for it themselves, & go build it, somewhere a long away from decent people driving their cars on the roads they have paid for.

Hasbeen, I wouldn't mind betting that all those nasty bike riders also own cars and pay the same as anyone else to use the roads.
You haven't got a leg to stand on now...

Suse - please, please, please don't confuse him with logic. Show some mercy.

One thing about road safety that has been beautifully brought to light on this thread by Nhoj and co is the terrible attitude that the vast majority of people have about the subject.

On all the road safety threads that I’ve started or been involved with on OLO, this is usually borne out by the very limited response. Only very few people can see fit to comment or be involved in this sort of debate.

Then you’ve got the occasional complete nutter who goes right out of his way to give you a hard time for simply trying to point out the hazards on our roads and suggest ways of improving them.

Unfortunately, this is a good reflection of life out there on our roads – the majority don’t give a hoot about road rules or safety margins and a small but very significant fraction are outright bullies and super-impatient mongrels who give anyone who is driving normally a hard time and especially pack it on for anyone who is laying back a little bit more and daring to drive within the letter of the law!

I can just imagine the sort of driver Nhoj is. I’d hazard a guess that he is one of those total bullies who is always driving right at the limit of what he thinks he can get away with, and who drives with zero respect for other road users or for the law.

And Suse also, but in a very different manner….. pottering along well below the speed limit, with a line of cars behind her, oblivious to any other road users. She has plenty of opportunity to pull over and let the traffic clear, but never does.

So, how close to the truth am I Nhojjie and Susie??

It just makes no sense that you would be good drivers and have the dismal attitudes that you have presented on this thread.

Oh Ludwig, I think we can safely assume who are the more considerate and safer drivers on this forum.
I guess we will never really know though will we : )

Whether you lot like it or not, the safest driver on the road is the one that goes with the fow of the surrounding traffic, even if this means doing a few K's over the limit.

In fact, if you are one of a dozen cars traveling along the 100K zone highway, all doing 105, few cops will pull you over. Speed cameras may get you, but rarely coos as they realize the importance of consistency in traffic.

Onother simple solution to the problem would be to increase the MINIMUM speed one can travel at for any more than say 200m unless held up by other motorists.

If the min SL was increased to 80% of the max, this would make our roads safer and, if you wish to travel slower, like a tractor, then you would require a special rego for such travel and, not be allowed to travel during peak hour/s.

Until push bikes are banned from the roads, deaths may be reduced by these laws, but riders will continue to die regardless of what rules are imposed on motorists.

It's so sad to think any push bike death on our roads could be so easily avoided, if not for the stubbiness of push bike riders.