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Neville Wran - Balmain Boys Don't Cry!

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Dear DD,

I'm glad that you've had the opportunity
to apparently vent your spleen. However, you're
trying to justify your aggressive behaviour
by blaming me when all I'm doing is expressing
my opinion. You're the one who seems to have
a strong need to be right and are attacking me
because I'm simpply not agreeing with your
take on the nursing profession. I see it as a
profession - you don't.
Why can't we just agree to disagree on this.
Why make it personal. That smacks of some sort of
insecurity on your part and you can't blame me for that.

Cheers.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 26 April 2014 11:43:38 PM
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a strong need to be right and are attacking me because I'm simpply not agreeing ...
Foxy,
With all due respect it is THE most importang thing to be right & dispute what is not in accordance with right.
You're accusing DD for attacking you because you don't agree with him. Wrong, he's trying to drum it into you that your failing to see reality, sense etc is wrong. That's totally different to saying he is attacking you because you don't agree.
If you disagree then shouldn't you simply "prove" just him wrong instead of a pointless, multiple not actually protrucing any evidence that he is wrong tirade ?
I am fully accepting that you're a person who cares but saying good is simply not good enough going by the old adage that bad things happen when good people do nothing. If you really believe something wrong you should produce another view/proposal instead of links which do nothing except prolonging a debate & making it a meaningless personal battle of "I simply have to be right". I was one of the most vehemment supporters for the need of ridding us of the ALP but does in no way mean I now accept anything that Abbott & Co throw my way. I think you should do similar & you'd be surprised how much we could help. We need proposals & ideas because accusations are merely holding us back for no other reason than tearing at scabs which only results in recurring pain & no healing..
Posted by individual, Sunday, 27 April 2014 7:24:46 AM
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Dear Individual,

You need to go back and re-read my posts to DD,
and his to me.

He gave me his recollections of Neville Wran.
I Thanked him for them and for being so open and
honest. I then gave him my recollections which
differed from his, including a link from the
Sydney Morning Herald. He again made statements
without providing any proof. But they were his
recollections. I accepted them. I gave another
link from New Matilda. This was unacceptable to
DD. He did not like the author - Jenny Haines.
He said he would "spit on her grave."

We then got into differing opinions on nursing as a
profession. DD compared it to garbage collectors.
Yet Gallup polls and survey showed that nursing was
one of the most respected professions in this
country and overseas. DD told me that my "comprehension
skills left a lot to be desired." That I was big on
misinformation and so on. I stopped reading the
insults - and did not feel like responding at first.

Then he told me that I reminded him of colleagues at
uni who were good at "picking their noses," et cetera.

I finally told him that I wasn't interested in mud-slinging
contests and I politely suggested that he was getting
hot under the collar - that perhaps he could start his own
discussion of nursing as a profession if he felt so strongly
about it. I wanted to get back to the subject of Neville
Wran - the topic of this thread. DD called me "pathetic"
and "spineless."

I rest my case.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 27 April 2014 11:48:06 AM
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Foxy, you are still rife with misinformation and emotional claptrap. I DID NOT compare nursing with garbos, I compared the use of the term "professional" with the loose dictionary definition of "deriving an income" with garbos. You have a high propensity to cherry-pick information that you emotionally respond to, rather than sitting back and absorbing the information in its intended context, intellectually.

Have you researched the criteria required to call an industry a "profession"? I would bet not. Your example of Gallup misusing the term is your sole example. Did you reply to my question of what you call someone that studies art for 3 years? Of course not, as it made my point. A mechanic or panel beater goes through a 3-4 year apprenticeship, do you call mechanics professionals? Well, in the dictionary definition, they are. But in the context of professional lawyers, doctors et al, they are not. The studying of a topic is NOT what defines a "profession". Period. Yet you continuously insist upon the misuse of the term with no research. Yet you wonder why I start to get irritated at your disappointing choice to remain ignorant. Go figure.

BTW, I said "I WOULDN'T spit on her grave"...try and get things right...oh that's right, you don't care about what's correct.
Posted by Dick Dastardly, Sunday, 27 April 2014 12:51:27 PM
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Dear DD,

It seems that you're still unable to resist
making derogatory statements.

Ah well, whatever floats your boat.

Have a nice day.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 27 April 2014 2:31:17 PM
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cont'd ...

Talking about accuracy -

the following link may be of interest:

http://anmf.org.au/pages/nursing-and-midwifery-registration-and-accreditation

There's also more information available on the web.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 27 April 2014 2:39:56 PM
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