Dear Johan (OUG),

Thank You for your comments.

I wonder what would happen if the money currently
being spent on federal poverty programs were given
directly to the poor, instead of to federal and
state bureaucracies, would it raise the incomes
of all the poor above the poverty line, and
still leave a surplus of billions?

I suspect that the reason this is not done is a
peculiar belief that the poor are in poverty
because they are idle and prefer to live on "handouts."
This view seems to be held by quite a few people,
people who do not know poor people, have never tried to
raise a ramily on welfare payments, and have not the
vaguest idea what poverty is really like. Opinion
polls repeatedly show large sections of the population
favouring cuts to welfare spending or favouring plans
to "make welfare receipients go to work." These
attitudes bear little relationship to reality.
We're told regularly that welfare is a terrible burden
on the taxpayer - yet welfare actually represents only
a small percentage of the federal budget.

There are few complaints, however, about how this country
pays out more in "handouts" to the nonpoor than to the
poor - in all sorts of forms - ranging from federally
subsidized loans and grants, to hidden subsidies or
tax deductions. A large proportion of people in this
country receive such benefits in one form or another.
This fact escapes attention because these benefits
take the indirect form as mentioned earlier of hidden
subsidies or tax deductions rather than the direct form of
cash payments.

Therefore, I feel that whether we presderve, modify, or
change our current system is ultimately in the long-term
up to us.

But we need to be given the information so that we can make
informed choices. Therefore discussons on forums such as
this one are important. At least in my view.

the foxey loxey LOCKS OF FOXie scream freedom
[SORRY ABOUT THAT..IM LISTENING TO THE ALEX JONES INFOWARS LINK

HE JUST SAID A THROWAWAY LINE AT HIS TROOPS/that he sent off to war in the bundy farm thing[tHAT MSN NEVER TOLD YOU ABOUT/but was more important that hiGH NOON
http://rss.infowars.com/20140414_Mon_Alex.mp3
ANYHOW THE DUDES HE SENT OFF TO PEACE
had beards..and i been thinking about let it grow[ie beards and sexy long hair..AS A SILENT 'OCCUPY'..MOVEMENT..[THAT IS HAPPENING..IN THE MEDIA AS WE ALL GET FURTHER DEpressed..we let it grow/but you got questions so i let that idea go

LOXEY-FOXY/SAid/quote..<<..federal poverty programs were given
directly to the poor,/..would it raise the incomes
of all the poor above the poverty line,.and.still leave a surplus of billions?>>

DEAR FOx..poverty prograwms hasvnt worked
they create deperndance..iE THEIR AFFECT IS NEGATIVE.[we know them by their fruits.

but as to the 2 de questIon..NO IT WOULDNT CHANGE ANYTHING
[IT SIMPLE sets the new low..IE THE MINIUMUM RENt is now that much more]

no THEY DONT NEED..THAT..[EXCEPT THE WAY KEVIN/DID..IN ONE BIG LUMP
LIKE WHEN RUSSIANS GOT SHARES]..THAT WAY ITS JUST A BIG ANOMALOUS JUMP/not a long term inflation affect THAT TRIGGERS HYPERINFLATION/THAT DOUBLES THE price of everything..boom..bust

and we are back where we cant afford a bear[se THE GERMAN REICHE/

<<..the poor are in poverty
because they are idle and prefer to live on "handouts.">>

sorry ..ITS BECAUSE EVERYTIME THE Worker gets a bit of the cream/shares the dream..the money supply speeds up/then dries up as we spend it...HOW TO EXPLain..but that you hear \bankers wars

ANYHOW IM RAMBLING
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=Hyperinflation+is+theft&i

<<Opinion..polls repeatedly show large sections of the population
favouring cuts to welfare spending>>

I FEEL DIVIDED ON THis..issue..[the trisls are to shutup the lobbY]
THE Sick should manage themselves[heere is the money..now you guys figure ouT HOW TO BEST CURE THE LOT OF YOU

EVEN PUTTING HEALING OUT FOR TENDER[LIKE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO INDIA/FOR healing at cheaper than hEALTH INSURANCE

WE DONT NEED BEUROCRATS/at all
JUST TREASURY AND TAX DEPT AUDITING..
THEN..we just need those needing the cure to figure out the best way to fix it..with tHE BUDGET THEY GOT

<<.. or favouring plans
to "make welfare receipients go to work.">>

slaVE LABOUR MEANS YA GET THE JUNK CONSUMABLES THAT CLUtter up our homes/its not livinbg[by this age we were meant to be working 8 HOURS PER DAY..INSTEAD WE MUST WORK 24/7

DO YOU RECAll 6 oclock closing..closed saterday arvo and sunday?..that waS THE GOOD TIMEs/where the living lived and the dead paid deaTH DUTIES..WHEN YOU BOUGHT A COAR/knowing it was half govt tax[ie once the rich alone paid consuption tyax..now we aLL DO

<<>.These
attitudes bear little relationship to reality.>>

i know..but i lived in the good old days
i saw how they killed it/by giving it into tax gree trusts and corpette PATENT/SELISTEN TOP THE TAPE

<<..We're told regularly that welfare is a terrible burden>>

and it is because its negaqtive vfruit
makes more pronlems than it cures..ITS MORE THAN A MERE BURDEN..IT HANDICAPS US INTO SLAVE LIKE OBEDIANCe/dependanCE..WATCHING SPORT WHILE ROME Burns

\<<on the taxpayer - yet welfare actually represents only
a small percentage of the federal budget.>>

ITS GOVTS only valid reason for being
to care for us when no one else giVES A DAMM

<<..There are few complaints, however, about how this country
pays out more in "handouts" to the nonpoor>>

THE MEGA ENTITLED/WANTING THE MONEY TO MAKE DYSTANIES By tyranies
alex talks of it today..we are looping histry..PLEASE TRY/TO LISTEN..

http://rss.infowars.com/20140414_Mon_Alex.mp3

<<>.federally...subsidized loans and grants, to hidden subsidies or
tax deductions. A large proportion of people in this
country receive such benefits in one form or another.>>.

AND SO WE SHOULD
GOVT IS THERE TPO PAY FOR ANY GOOD IDEA/
[IF IT MAKES LIFE BETTER/FOR ALL..THATS WHY GOVT IS THERE

<<..This fact escapes attention because these benefits
take the indirect form as mentioned earlier of hidden
subsidies or tax deductions rather than the direct form of
cash payments.>>

GOVT SHOULD BE RUN OUT OF SChool/who pay for everything in its school district
THEY INMSURE AND UNDERWRITE EVERYONE WITHIN THEIR SCHOOL DISTRICT

they pay in cash[coin]..the only lawfu tender the bankers have nearly deflated out of existance/via fiat paper..but i talked of thIS WIKISEED WIKIgeld [sun trwaty thing often]

onwards

<<>.Therefore, I feel that whether we preserve, modify, or
change our current system is ultimately in the long-term
up to us.>>

only ID WE STAND TOGETHER
THEY KNOWCK US OFF ONE BY ONE[THERE IS A REAL Life histry lesson/repeating ITS ECHO THROUgh time

and this is keY[WORK With me]
http://rss.infowars.com/20140414_Mon_Alex.mp3

<<..But we need to be given the information>>
we are the information..[in FORM..A NATION
GROW YOUR BEARD GROW YOUR LOCKS/THIS IS WHERE THE BUCK STOps
http://rss.infowars.com/20140414_Mon_Alex.mp3

<<<.. so that we can make
informed choices. Therefore discussons on forums such as
this one are important. At least in my view.>>

absolutlyu..we are all in this together
any voice silenced is crinial
http://rss.infowars.com/20140414_Mon_Alex.mp3

THE FOOT IS DOWN..WE STOOD UP..WHERE IS YOUR MEDIA
[JESUS SAID THE STARS OD SHARRON AND MEDIA MUST FALL
THEY LIED TO US DAME FOXEY/LOXey from loxley..

FRom j0hannine

Foxy, the polls do reflect the opinions of those polled but those
opinions are generated by government not achieving what is expected of it.
The problem is that all parties, ie including the greens and the PUP,
are devoted to economic growth.
Because it is unachievable they print money, as we did during the
Labour Government, or as we are about to do via an LNP government have
an austerity campaign.
Now I agree with an austerity campaign, but it not enable growth.
These two "drivers", pixel money and austerity are the two traditional
methods of stimulating an economy and economists have been very surprised that they no longer work.

As a result Abbott will suffer the fail syndrome and people seem to
sense that this failure will occur. They are making that judgement now
so early because they can see the writing on the wall, the motor
industry shut down, solid talk of pension reduction, one way or
another, ABC etc etc.

Until politicians recognise that "Business as Usual" is over, say it
publically themselves, and tell the public "this is how it is, live
with it" we will continue to swap pollies in vain.

ps, you are a librarian, I think, check if your library has
The End of Growth by Richard Heinberg. Many do so you should be able
to borrow from another Library.

I bet those polls weren't done outside a Uni campus. The Left is always doing polls amongst the not so intelligent & the outcome is always the same. Ever seen a Leftie write-up that says anything positive about the Coalition ?

as for
No cuts to Education, no cuts to Health, no changes to Pensions, no changes to GST, no cuts to ABC or SBS under a Govt I lead.
(signed): Tony Abbott"

has any of this happened , because I haven't met anyone yet that's been affected by this.
If any cuts were made then it'd be cuts to waste but that's something the Left will never understand.