I am not a resident in your beautiful country, although in my younger years, I lived in Tasmania with my parents. What I saw on the news this morning really concerned me. Is it absolutely necessary to carry out the sensless culling of 3000 kangaroos? These marsupials are not a threat or danger to humans as far as I know, although I have heard of them carrying deseases, which I would suspect almost any wild animal to carry some type of desease. They are your heritage, have been there longer than any inhabitant of Australia. We as humans have tresspassed on their turf, not the other way around. This is just another joes excuse to kill off yet another unique species, in a unhumane manner. Just like big game hunters, put one in a cage with a lion without his gun and lets see who prevails. SPANKY

As you said you are not from Australia and in truth would not have a clue about the subject.
Are you aware there are many times more roos in Australia now than before white men settled this country?
Or that about 10 times the culled number die each year in drought?
And can you truly think we shoot roos only because they harm us?
Do you understand the harm they can do in numbers that are often more than the cattle or sheep run on that land?
Some make a living shooting roos and I need to understand why it is considered any more offensive than killing sheep or cattle, deer or rabbits for the table?
Improved pasture and crops give roos more food and lead to more roos, just maybe without some culling we may find it easier to cull them all.

Roos are dying in their thousands because of drought and like wild horses, donkeys and camels need to be kept in check.

Guess what happens to all the tiny animals that live around a water hole when mobs of any of the above decend on the hole and drink it dry.
Small native animals can't travel 20 or 30 miles for a drink.

It is easy to romantacise kangaroos and to portray the culling of them as a barbaric act. It does not however reflect the reality of the situation of large mobs of animals and an environment that cannot support them. Certainly culling is not a pleasant thing but when the only alternative is slow starvation what other choice is there.

G'day Belly, thanks for the comment however obscure.
I somehow agree with the reasons, the ifs, why's and's & errr... butts?.. However, one can only expect my comments on this culling issue to be a tad concerning, by this and being the animal lover that I am, although the animal activists have, I believe, done all in their power to find alternative measures. Where I come from, we do not eat Roo meat as we do cows and other DOMESTIC live stock, I reckon kangeroo would probably taste like rabbit? All in all, fair comment on the drought issue but fail to understand where the race issue comes in as I mentioned people...?
Spanky

Well you should eat kangaroo, it is very tasty especially in a rissole. In some areas they are in plague proportions, due to the dingo fence which means they have no natural predators, they are so thick you can stand in one spot and see hundreds, and they are all starving.
If we ate more, it would be better for them as then there would be more feed for them, the enviroment would bennefit as they are less damaging than sheep or cattle.
There is absolutly no danger of them becoming extinct.

alanpoi, well said. I strongly favor a move to better use of food sources which fit better with our environment and less use of hard hoofed animals, introduced plants etc. Done with care we might leave a much softer footprint on the landscape.

SPANKY, when you refer to the race issue I assume you are meaning the comment about white man coming to this country. If so the types of changes we have made to the landscape to support domestic livestock involve more cleared lands, bores, dams and the like which increases the feed and water supplies to wild animals when things go well. That can be devestating during chronic events such as the current drought.

R0bert

Love roo too...very tasty. Our country would probably be better off raising roos for the table than cattle and sheep. I mean really whats the difference...you eat meat or you don't. Do you eat meat Spanky?

Alzo, Yep, I do eat meat although I notice many people keep roos as pets, rear them like children and in some cases, allow them to wonder through their households etc. This until I suppose in some cases, before they reach the 6-7 footer big reds often found? In this case, no I would not grill my dog or cat, although we do get some funny people on this planet.
Spanky

SPANKY "I notice many people keep roos as pets" - where did you see that. Probably not uncommon in some rural areas but I don't think overall many people would have roos as pets. Mostly people would raise a joey after finding it beside a dead mother (road accidents).
Where facilities are available that is generally done by licensed wildlife carers with an aim of eventual relaease into the wild.

When I was a kid we had a pig as a pet for a while, it was the runt of the litter and likely to die so we nad raised it. It made a great pet and I would not have wanted to dine on that particular pig. It has not put me off ham or bacon though.

R0bert

Did you all know that roo is banned in California? There is a bill before the parliament there now to lift the ban. That is why so many hippies are on our case at the moment. PETA has been feeding them complete BS about the Kangaroos going extinct if California lifts it's ban. Meanwhile California has more feedlots and factory farms than any other place on earth. Total hypocrisy. The PETA people are always masquerading as environmentalists when they really couldn't give a stuff about the environment.

http://ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1179303108

SPANKY!how can you get racism in my post?
Yes I said farming bought more roos along with dams and feed but how?
Roo meat and for that matter rabbit meat kept many from hunger and it tastes ok.
How is it different than eating cattle?
Can I ask that you think out your reply to my post? maybe re read both yours and mine?
If my abrupt answer hurt I am sorry but country Australia has suffered much at the hands of people who know nothing of us and our land.
More roos die in road kill than for meat or skins, more sheep die a hungry death after roos eat the last grass roots and all.
In the middle of a drought that sees men kill themselves too many roos eat the paddocks out, or the last hope crop.
The time is coming when we must cull of few thousand Camels or stop farming parts of Australia, sad but needed culling of a Ferrel animal.
Roos are native but sometimes in too large a number to handle.

Belly,
errrrrr.....Ok..err
Spanky

RObert,
G'day cobber! I believe in the balance and sustainability of the environment, reading the comments on this thread has lead me to picture an over abundance of roos over there, is it really that serious? The drought issue I can understand but for the roos actually encrouching on the sheer sustainability of the environment and its creatures, has really got me gob smacked!
Does Green peace have a say in this matter or is the decision taken on the whim of an individual? Is it a national decision? Whatever the origin, I hope there will one day be a better solution to this than putting it down to plain culling.
Spanky

Spanky, it's not much in the media here. Much bigger issues facing the country lately. I am aware that there are issues in some of the western suburbs of Ipswich (just outside Brisbane) with numbers of roos in urbane areas which create problems. Not enough food for the roos and roos and cars don't play nicely together. I assume that anywhere impacted by the drought where the roo numbers are bigger than current conditions can support will have some issues.

It's quite likely that the issue has been played for dramatic effect in your local media.

R0bert

Culling is an necessary evil...not many like it, even less understand it, but it still needs to be done. It needs to be done for their own good (I'd rather cop a bullet than starve) and ours. I live north of Ipswich and although I haven't seen any dead ones on the motorway outside Wacol, there is no doubt it's an issue. I'm seeing more and more cause of the drought...they hang out on the side of the road where the water run off (when it rains) creates the best grass...it's 3 times more compared to the paddocks...people hit them at the worst possible time of day.

Culling them won't make them extinct, Grow up. We created the competition for pasture, we destroyed their predators. We rape the land. We have to deal with the concequences.

I live in the City proposing the culling of the 3000 Kangaroos.
I drive past both sites on a daily basis.
Both sites are heavily overpopulated by Kangaroos.
Kangaroos are not endangered and are in fact in plague proportions in many areas close to major cities.
Culling these Kangaroos is the logical solution.

The argument should be how.
The most Humane method.
1. A single shot to the head or heart.
The other options.
2. A slow and agonizing death by poisoning.
3. A slow and agonizing death from starvation.
4. A sometimes slow and agonizing, but always costly, death by car.

While the most humane method does not meet with the approval of the environmentalists because of the emotive responses evoked by the mere thought of "men with guns" it is unfortunately the most logical
option.

The Kangaroos have to go and unless "Green Peace" or "WWF" have the time and resources to airlift them to another country for peaceful resettlement then option 1. is the only reality.

Hi westic,
You brought up a good point of being able to rezone the roos as I gather from this thread that they breed like rabbits, where would you suggest rezoning them to? On the other side of the coin, why not introduce the PILL to control the over populating, the thought of this came about in a discussion on the local media in South Africa as to how to stop the overpopulating of some of the North African country's stricken with hunger, drought and plagues, yet still they are multiplying even in their state of affairs...just a thought...just being an adult...(StG)
Spanky

They've tried using methods to control their reproduction but it hasn't as yet been effective. I guess in the long-term this would be the ideal solution to the problem but the science isn't quite there yet.

Why try to stop them breeding when they are a valuable, sustainable resource?

They are not a sustainable resource in the areas referred to around Canberra. They're population is massive and according to the experts it is growing at a rate faster than the environment can support. These particular areas are within defence establishments so aren't subject to licensed hunting etc. I'm all for establishing a sustainable kangaroo meat industry and the current quota system is a good step forwards in doing that. The problem is that not all areas are suitable for commercial operators and that is where the government has to step in. It would have been far easier for defence and the A.C.T government to ignore the problem and not face the critism that they will over this but they have made the right decision (although to be entirely honest I'm not sure that the Minister has formally made a decision on the permit itself yet)

Why not just establish a 'special' license for the area. Someone has to shoot the roos anyhow. It might as well be someone who will do it for free or even pay for the priviledge and put the meat to good use.

Also, are these roos likely to move around much? I'm thinking that if you bought a nearby farm, took all the cattle off, made surface water available etc, the roos might head there anyway, where they could be picked off without the public danger issue.

Freediver, the problem with that idea is the little buggers are a bit cluey. Picking them off is not really an option where the problem has been allowed to get way out of control (although fine to manage a population that is already a reasonable size). If you are not in a position to pick them off over a number of years, then you need to go in like Rambo and get them in one hit. Unfortunate, but most animal populations wise-up pretty quickly to having pot-shots taken at them on a regular basis. Rabbits are no different - pick a patch where they are shot a regularly, and the little beggars are VERY toey (and with good cause obviously). Pro roo-shooters have several properties in their runs to manage this problem - saves them from coming back to the one place too regularly.

SPANKY, if you are from SA, then you might be able to compare it to a population explosion of antelope. Fairly harmless creatures generally, but put a large population of them near an urban area, then take away food and water resources, the kindest thing to do is a cull. What it really points to is that authorities need to manage populations on an ongoing basis, not just when it gets to crisis point.

Something else to note - roos can be dangerous. Particularly eastern grey males, which are very territorial. They can quite easily kill a dog that attacks them, and humans have been hurt when found in the wrong situations (although rare). My cousin was attacked at the age of 15 and was scalped (they have very sharp claws). It took 81 stiches to put his scalp back on (it was hanging down one side of his head). Its the only case I have heard of this happening, but highlights that like koalas, they are wild animals, not cute furry cuddly things.

Country Gal,Howdy...
Your comment on roos encrouching on urban areas is a little confusing to me, please correct me if I am wrong, who were there first, the roos or urbanisation? I agree that with the drought that roos will start to look elsewhere for nourishment and the drones of them is obviously causing a lot more harm than good, this is why the topic of rezoning them was brought to light and it would be a pity if this gesture was left and forgotten, as it was mentioned in this thread that they could in fact be reared for consumption, out of the way from urban areas and similarly treated the same as pork and beef. If I dare comment on the antelope in S.A. It would mean having to start on a whole new thread as hunting farms are (excuse the pun) making a killing in South Africa, for tourists.
Spanky

Look spanky we have more roos in this country than any other species apart from flies and mozzies,and most people here couldn't give a sh!t about them , nobody is going to manage them so this whole debate is pointless . We have nore important things to ocupy our time, when we get too many we shoot em, and if they look like going extinct we will stop OK,

Spanky, howzit. In this case mostly the urban areas were there first. Roo's dont have that long a life span, plus they have certainly benefited from white farming practices since settlement......

relocation such as you suggest is not currently viable with the volume of population that is currently the issues. Its not a bad idea in itself, apart from the fact that roo's ARE territorial (the males anyway), and that you have to gain the acceptance of those whose are that you are moving them too - bear in mind that there are many species of roo, and not all are suitable to every habitiat in Oz.

A client of mine comes to mind. He caught some park rangers on his property (without permission), about to release some rock wallabies that had overpopulated another area. His comment..... WAIT, I'LL BE BACK IN A MINUTE - with my gun!! Well, the little buggers would have raided his already lean grain crop for the year!

The issue is balance, and roo's are one animal that has adapted well to settled farming - thriving where they once would have been reasonably scarce. Until we come up with a way to effectively turn them to profit, culling will be the only option in some cases

Spanky,

" hunting farms are (excuse the pun) making a killing in South Africa, for tourists."

Thats a terrific idea, do you know how much the tourists will pay?

Rojo,
As a matter of fact, I do. The game farmers charge in the region of R120 000.00 for a lion shot, R80 000.00 for buffalo and the menu goes on and on, a journalist went under cover to one of these farms and part of a group of hunters from the USA, she witnessed the hunter pick out a prize lion, the lion is then put into a steel bar cage and the hunter very proudly takes aim and plugs the lion between the eyes, this is what we all know as "canned hunting", this happens with lionesses also in a cage with her cubs standing beside her. The hunters wife clicking away with her camera. We humans are just deranged and in urgent need of psychiatric help.
Spanky.

Alanpoi,
Please note that there are other people who are indeed interested and in many ways concerned for both the drought and the roos, people who have money and pulling power read these threads, or has this perhaps flown over your head? Its threads like these that keep people in tune with what others think around the world and maybe, just maybe there may be a person out there reading this particular thread and have enough gumption to possibly lead a campaign of some sorts to assist you guys and gals over there, not just with the roo story but with other issues that may also be as just and important as the drought you people are experiencing, please excuse me for trying!
Spanky

spanky says

"there may be a person out there reading this particular thread and have enough gumption to possibly lead a campaign of some sorts to assist you guys and gals over there,"

Spanky you have found that person. I am personally organising and funding one of the biggest roo sporting shoots ever seen in Australia. We are leaving this weekend from Sydney armed to the teeth with guns, rifles, dogs, knives and even spears. We hope to make a real difference to the number of roos in some of the affected areas. After all, its for their own good. We also hope to leave a very small environmental footprint. All 57 (so far) 4wd's will be required to keep to formed trails. I will be buying carbon offsets for all fuel used and gunpowder exploded. I think one or two of the 4wd's may even run on biodiesel (not bad huh). I'm a bit worried about all the gunpowder we will be burning though. Maybe next year we will insist on only using non-incendiaries like knives, spears and arrows. Although this often leads to many more injuries in the quarry.

Hoping to make a real difference...

Spanky we don't have guys and gals we have blokes and sheilas, we also have life expectancy of aborigines at 17 years less than the white average, one of the worlds highest rates of infant mortality as well as high rates of disease amongst our aboriginal population.
So as you can well imagine Bloody kangaroos don't rate real high here, it also seems your backyard could do with a bit of a tidy up re canned hunting.

Alanpoi,as far as my "back yard" is concerned, I take it that you are refering to South Africa? I thankfully no-longer live there anymore as it has gotten a little unpalletable for professionals to continue living there, if you can, try to look up the statistics on how many people are leaving S.A. you will be shocked. In any event, S.A. is on its way out, sad to say.
One comment was that they were going to go out on a hunting trip armed to the teeth, all adults, grown up and mature men,huh?
Spanky

The question about who was here first is any easy one but doesn't really do anything to help solve the problem. We're here now and we have to try to live in and manage the country as best we can for all those who live here. In part our arrival here has created the problem in more ways than just us being here causes conflict between the environment and us. Agriculture has through necessity resulted in large areas of woodland being turned into grass-land which has led to an explosion in kangaroo numbers since European settlement. A couple of years ago there were areas of South Australia that were having similar difficulties with large numbers of Emu's starving due to drought conditions. As harsh as it may seem to you humane culling is an act of kindness compared to allowing animals to starve. As for the comment about going out hunting armed to the teeth I think that alzo was trying to yank your chain so to speak.

Finally I agree with Alanpoi that we face some massive problems in this country both in our environment and our society. It isn't that we don't care about the plight of a few thousand kangaroos but in comparison it seems somewhat trifling compared to the other problems that we are confronted with.

Spanky

I'm with you. Unhappily, in Australia, we have our share of misfits, lusting for the blood of defenceless animals.

Interesting how these misfits always infiltrate these threads, posing as conservationists, when all they want is to vent their malicious obsession for dominance over innocent species.

I believe they're the little men who can't make it with their own - copycats of the "Ivan Milats" in our society where fair play is not part of their vocabulary!

I'm sure the authorities would be interested to learn of Alzo's cache of weapons!

"I'm sure the authorities would be interested to learn of Alzo's cache of weapons!"

All fully licenced and legitimate.

"all they want is to vent their malicious obsession for dominance over innocent species"

Sure do. Just the other day I dominated a rabbit. Although he put up a hell of a fight, he was very tasty.

"lusting for the blood of defenceless animals."

Where is a defenceless animaaalll? I need to feast!

Alzo, this person obviously runs around wearing a bandana, socks at half -mast with a comb protruding out of one sock, wears "bovver boots" a gold front tooth and speaks incoherantly, probably has a half jack of whiskey in his pocket (if this is a man... or not) and has the mentality and appearance of a golf ball, all plastic and full of dents!
Spanky

Good to see the animal libbers up to their usual tricks.

Ah I often thought the roo population was running amok. In recent years we have had local culls on the Pukapunyal army base where the over-population were starving.

A couple of years ago I found roo meat /snag/mince/burgers/roasting joints had got to Castlemaine supermarkets and what do you know, now I can buy it in Melbourne too. I usually have some in the freezer – ready for any overseas visitors to snack on.

Roo meat has two outstanding qualities

A it is about half the price of beef
B it is the leanest meat, very low fat content.

If you like a gamier meat, it is better than venison, tastier. The burgers are very distinctive too.

When you do get to cooking it for yourself remember, a hot –hot plate and fast. Don’t wait til it all “brown” or you will ruin it.

Do any of you actually realise, that most, if not all of your animals are indigeanous to your country, in other words, not found anywhere else in the world (to the "lay" person). I suppose when the roos are all gone, you will start with the wombat, the koala, the platypus, the Tasman devil, then some smart @rse will wipe out the Kukkaburra and there goes the old song of " kukkaburra sits in the old gum tree" except the blerry bird is going to be a sniper picking off those responsible for the wiping out of all the wild life you folks have.I mean lets face it, it's got to the stage where anyone who has a gun, its open season on roos even though many other species are protected, are there laws in place that protect the roo and wallaby, despite the over-abundance?
Spanky

Oh lol, this thread is classic, keep up the good work everyone.

I reckon I'm gonna get me one of them guns and go shootin! Gonna bag me a platypus or maybe even a wombat!

Spanky

You know you are debating with the ignorant?

In my area, the pet meat shop was closed down for 7 weeks due to a shortage of roos in our bush. And even now, there is a limited supply.

The ignorant are not lateral thinkers. They have the brain size of a gnat when they salivate and gloat over the blood and guts of the animals they have cruelly slaughtered in their areas, which to these tardbillies, is the entire planet.

Generally, these misfits must find an outlet for their pyschopathic tendencies, where they are are free to use their gunpowder, knives and spears on helpless species, strictly for kicks. It sure beats spending money on viagra or surgical enhancements. Mmmm....I wonder what else they do to their victims when no-one's looking?

And one can imagine the orgy of blood and guts after the biggest "sporting" roo shoot in Australia, organised by the heinous Alzo. Dogs feasting and fighting over the entrails of the beast, often still alive, with tardbillies high on hooch, arguing whose WMD brought down the most roos.

Ooh hoo yeah!

gee you're dag dickie, now I don't like killing I don't even own a gun. However I will admit that these tarbillies have a place in the scheme of modern day reality, without them we would be overrun with feral pigs, foxes, dogs and deer, although I wish they would knock off more of those rotten frigg!ng feral moggies.
Culling roos helps preserve the species otherwise we would have mass starvation and whats wrong with a good feed of roo, they are enviromently prefable to sheep and cattle, and apart from flies and mozzies they are the most abundant species in Australia.

You miss my point Alanpoi.

I am not totally opposed to culling by accredited professional shooters. I remind you that humans are entirely responsible for the introduction of feral animals to this country. There is much to be gleaned from the ignorance of our forefathers when they presumed that this arid land could be farmed in the European manner where, thanks to them, and successive agricultural "experts", the equilibrium of our flora, fauna and ecology is now completely out of whack.

And aren't the sadists delighted to use conservation as an excuse to go on rampage?

The point I am making Alanpoi, is of the savagery of the "Alzos" in this "civilised" country, where these misfits believe it is their right to inhumanely slaughter OUR animals for kicks.

I am totally opposed to any game hunting as a sport. We have a moral and ethical duty to treat all species humanely and fairly.

Problem is, how do you educate the sadists, who are so analphabetic, they believe rectal ointment is the latest fad for hair restoration!

Dickie,
Well put, the rectal ointment adds a nice touch! now alzo and the rest of his clan can enjoy other alterior methods of enjoyment, lets hope this is not with one of those poor animals. Your point on culling is fair and acceptable but as you have pointed out, this has definately turned into a sport for the weak minded heavily dependant on viagra for their uplifts in life, shame. There are alternative measures to be taken other than going on a killing,(did I say killing?)murdering spree, leave it to the professionals that are actually able to place a kill shot, not some @sshole with a cannon or peashooter, rendering the animal half dead and suffering, only the dregs of society make murdering defenceless animals a sport in any event. alzo, may your scrottum become infested with the fleas of a thousand camels.
Spanky

Touche Spanky!

And to the fleas: "Go forth and multiply my little friends and remember, when you abandon your tape-worm eggs, every exit is an entrance somewhere else!"

spanky,
All kangaroos are protected, however there is permissable harvesting of the more abundant species, via a quota system.

http://www.feral.org.au/content/species/kangaroo.cfm

I can't see why an animal being indigenous to a particular country is reason not to use it as a resource providing they are plentiful.

Rojo, thankyou, now please visit www.dropahunterWith-a-9mm.com
Spanky

"Dogs feasting and fighting over the entrails of the beast, often still alive, with tardbillies high on hooch, arguing whose WMD brought down the most roos"
Hey you sound like you've been on one of my sporting shoots. Although I don't call my mates tardbillies, just "maaate"

"In my area, the pet meat shop was closed down for 7 weeks due to a shortage of roos in our bush. "
Must have been after one of our sporting shoots. We clean 'em up.

"when they salivate and gloat over the blood and guts of the animals"
Are you sure you haven't been with us on a sporting shoot?

"Mmmm....I wonder what else they do to their victims when no-one's looking?"
Ok now I'm convinced you have.

"I wish they would knock off more of those rotten frigg!ng feral moggies"
They are very hard to bag, so sly and cunning.

"I am not totally opposed to culling by accredited professional shooters."
Good to know, I'm an accredited sporting shooter.

"Good to know, I'm an accredited sporting shooter."

Was the bribe significant, Alzo?

No...a paltry $55.95...all you can shoot

spanky, had no luck with your link, surely you wouldn't be taking the p_ss?

Incidently a 9mm wouldn't be my weapon of choice in such a situation.

Rojo,
Yep, I surely would!(LOL)
I cannot believe you actually tried that url link..I guess we meet all kinds on these threads, just joking!
Have a good one,
Regards
Spanky

Alzo, yet another buffoon taking advantage of a special offer, seeing you have this awkward yet talented sniffer for special offers, you must have missed the one for ejection seats in helicopters, they are looking for test passengers, I think you qualify for the position hands -down.
As far as normal people using this thread are concerned, the purpose of PROFESSIONAL culling experts goes well, especially after realising now that the population of roos has indeed got to the point of actually infringing on the human population in some areas, it's a pity and although I am a stickler in the belief that they were there first, the human will always dominate all living creatures.
Where to now?
Spanky

Spanky

You may not be aware that the "Alzo" types in Australia fully support the poisoning of feral animals.

In this country they use a toxin called 1080. This is an abominable poison where it can take up to 3 days for a wild dog to die in agony.

Every mammal species, used by humans in Australia has now become feral except sheep and cows.

Feral animals here include donkeys, buffalo, camels, horses - all once beasts of burdens. Other abandoned animals, gone feral, are pigs, goats, dogs, cats, rabbits. They are all now poisoned or shot or clubbed - "vermin" declares the expert Alzo.

Of course the obtuse Alzo fails to acknowledge the human effects on this arid land. Much of the continent has been cleared of vegetation. Feral animals must compete against some 130 million sheep and some 27 million cattle for food.

So while the slaughterers go armed with guns, poison or clubs, getting off on the killing sprees, feral animals have increased.

Ah yes, Spanky, we have an abundance of obtuse humans in this nation!

Not so long ago i was still getting paid for dingo hides....those were the days...a bullet is much quicker than 1080, I agree. I don't support 1080 use. Shooting is much kinder (see I do have a heart).

"Of course the obtuse Alzo fails to acknowledge the human effects on this arid land"
Are you giving me the go ahead to start hunting humans? Watch out dickie!

"So while the slaughterers go armed with guns, poison or clubs, getting off on the killing sprees, feral animals have increased."
Increased in size? population? species? Not sure this sentence makes any sense at all.

"I am a stickler in the belief that they were there first"
Where do you live spanky? the moon? I wonder how many native animals your great bulk has displaced.

Alzo, thankyou for the compliment.
I thought pelts were for cavemen, I rest my case. As far as where I live is concerned, in a place where there are less conceited people.
In any event, it all boils down to keeping an even balance without having to resort to having fun while culling, it takes a mad-man to smile while pulling a trigger and you remind me of such a person. By the way, your last comment I would have expected to come from a woman.
UP WITH THE ROOS!
Spanky

"As far as where I live is concerned, in a place where there are less conceited people."
You gotta be kidding. The good ol' US of A (holes) is home to the most conceited race of people in the world.

"it takes a mad-man to smile while pulling a trigger "
Bwahahaha

Down with the SEPPOS!

spanky,
why wouldn't I try the link? It's not that much effort, a lot less effort than making it up. You seem to have concluded that I was surprised it didn't work.

Rojo,
No effort at all, it comes natural, it's who I am, it's what I do.
I on the other hand, I did go into your link and thank you, I found it most interesting.
I wonder if the Alzo's of this world would be interested in the link?
somehow, I doubt it, his train of thought stops at the end of a gun and then only starts up again when he looks for what he's shot or maimed.
Spanky

Would somebody please explain to me what a TARDBILLIE is? you guys keep mentioning this in various comments and you have completely lost me.
Spanky

Spanky

Definition of a tardbilly:

A cross between a retard and a hillbilly.

Dickie, thankyou!
Now Alzo, as I was saying.....
Spanky