Foxy "There's nothing further to be said."

Yes there is.
Your "well-reasoned argument" supporting an inevitably genocidal, historically incongreunt immigration policy.

I have no interest in homogeneity, only sensibleness.

"Ethnic minorities have a right to be different, to protect their traditions, remember their languages"

No, *citizens* have the right to live as they please.
That's "liberalism", not multiculturalism.

What I question is deliberately INTRODUCING dissimilar/unrelated peoples/cultures that would otherwise not exist HERE.

How they live in their own homelands is their own business.
They can wear dresses made from endangered iguana and eat cats if they want.

"All I see coming from you are restrictions."

Only in immigrant *selection*.
Not how people live their lives once here.

"a dynamic society"

Oh, it'll be dynamic alright.
As in "Dynamite".

Just yesterday I witnessed two ridiculous outbursts by "minorities".

An Aborigine walking behind me yelled "Fcuk" (you know what I mean) at the top of his lungs, just to get a reaction.
When I turned around he had a broad smile on his face.

Later I saw a Pacific Islander (apparently a steroid addict) jump out of his SUV and punch a pedestrian in the face.

The only way people like this can feel powerful is by generating fear in others (i.e. in Whitey).
Pathetic.

YEBIGA "We have the muscle with our Anglo partners and we will do as we like to ensure we keep things to our advantage."

How does surrendering our own lands to foreigners fit into that scenario exactly?
80% non-White immigration doesn't sound too self-serving to me.

"I can't live with the nonsense of them bad us good"

I never made such a statement.

"the truth is imperialism never ended it just got more sophisticated."

So did the intention of Muslims to take over our lands.
Passports and babies is much easier than armed invasion.

Paul1405 "With community anger growing by the day"

Yes, who can forget that 400,000 man march demanding censorship of unpleasant opinions.
With the oh-so-sincere mass-produced placards (thank you, Socialist Alliance) with insipid platitudes.
And all the chants in English only.

Dear Shocker,

A big hug from me,
and have a nice evening.

I've enjoyed our robust discussion.
But I've really lost all heart in continuing
with it.
I'm simply tired.
But, you carry on by all means,
and I'll happily read
what you post.
That's the best I can do for you at this time.

But I've really lost all heart in continuing with it.
Foxy,
That's crap & you know it. You're bailing out because the facts are gradually overwhelming your reserves of stock answers.
Those who really care about Australia do not bail out, the're continually looking for solutions.

There seems to be some confusion between race and ethnicity and culture and an unspoken Other political factor, 'different rights for different people because it's "traditional" '.

I'm happy with whoever comes to Australia PROVIDED that they adhere to the established practices in Australia (at least formally), of equal rights before the law, observance of the rule of law (cf. Williamson - seven years - isn't that a message ?), equal opportunity for all Australians regardless of 'race', ethnicity, culture, gender, etc., as well as assistance for members of disadvantaged groups - i.e. genuinely disadvantaged, cf. Bolt - to pull themselves up to the national level.

Multiculturalism must be based on the principles of 'racial' and gender equality and an honest critique of cultural practices which conflict with those principles. Culture, after all, is not some untouchable god, it's not sacred - it is the distillation and sanction of power relations within a group, perhaps hundreds or even thousands of years old but not necessarily valid for all that. Human rights MUST trump culture, especially in view of the rights of the traditionally oppressed.

I hope that Foxy will change her mind :)

Cheers,

Joe

Loudmouth "There seems to be some confusion between race and ethnicity and culture"

They're interconnected.
Swedes are not Mongoloid.
Koreans are not Negroid.
But apparently, "Australians" can magically be everything and anything.

"adhere to the established practices in Australia"

Ironically, the noble principles often cited by race-neutralists are almost non-existent outside the White/Western world.

In many of the lands where the "Coloured" 80% of our immigrants come from, those principles almost unheard of, with rampant corruption, crime, oppression, misogyny/sexism, homophobia, religious intolerance, ethnic favoritism/hierarchies, slavery, child abuse, etc.

You want "civilised" immigrants, you need to choose from "civilised" people.

Goodbye, Foxy.
Again.

Dear Joe (Loudmouth),

I have already stated on this discussion -
that within a framework of
laws, all Australians have the right to express their
culture and beliefs.

As we can see from some of the comments on this discussion
some Australian attitudes to immigration and
multiculturalism are strongly engrained. Some are suspicious
of immigration and immigrants according to opinion polling.
However over the next few decades Australians will need
to be more receptive to ethnic change and more engaged
with multicultural policies and approaches.

Even if current immigration policy remains in place, the
skilled and educated intake will not be coming from Europe.
Australia is likely to be even more ethically diverse in 2050
than it is now. This will require a political leadership
which encourages tolerance and harmony and which refuses to
advocate narrow nationalism. The political temptation to
mobilise xenophobia is incompatible with a rational
immigration program.

Such a program slso requires a more humane approach to issues
like family re-union, settlement services, and refugees.

To use a wise German saying, "We sought only workers but we got
people."

Future governments may need to be less rigid, less obtrusive,
less directed by public prejudice and more humane than they
had become by the 1990s.

Dear Individual,

When you contribute more than insults to any issue - only
then will you have any right to criticise what others
have to contribute or say.
So go drop your suppositories of wisdom somewhere else.