Dear spindoc
How you got any idea of my preference to alp and liberal from this post i have no idea
Maybe it was the one reference to climate change idk what are we up to now 98% of scientist know its real its only dumb people that can't see it themselves.
My intervention in this post was trying to get it back online
as with all other post its turns into a alp vs liberal argument
and truth be known both of them are really useless governments
So all you guys are really arguing about is who is the best of a bad bunch.

Dear Aussieboy,

You asked me; << How you got (sic.) any idea of my preference to alp and liberal from this post i (sic.) have no idea >>

Correct, you don’t have any idea. Let me assist you.

You started the thread about idea’s for Bill Shorten, then excluded ALP/LNP bias, then switched to getting << Get one of the Parties to Listern (sic.) >>, then shifted from ALP and Shorten to now include LNP?

<< But arguing alp vs liberal will get you no where fast both are wrong >>

Pure rhetoric meaning OK, the ALP is bad but hey, the LNP are just as bad.

Cult attribute # 3. The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which causes conflict with the wider society.

<< Neither have any sort of future plan >> Wrong, the LNP does have a plan, it’s just that you don’t like it or the fact that they have one.

Cult attribute # 20. Create a false sense of righteousness by pointing to the shortcomings of the outside world and opposition.

<< WW3 a possibility>> Alarmism, threat, fear, uncertainty and doubt.

Cult attribute # 8. Crisis Creation - They employ tactics designed to create or deepen confusion, fear, guilt or doubt. (created and overstated impending doom)

<< climate change its real get with the program >>

Cult attribute # 14. Absolutism - They insist on total, unquestioning obedience and submission to the groupthink in both actions AND thoughts.

<< Lack of Oil >> Alarmist mantra originating from the “Peak Oil” scare. (Agenda 21)

<< Food availability >> Alarmist mantra originating from the “Peak Food Production” scare. (Agenda 21)

<< Religious differences, Housing, Education, Health care >>

These all originate from the “adopted opinions of others”. You read them somewhere, can’t quite remember where but it was someone important and you were impressed. This form of “Rhetoric” was first described by Aristotle as “Ethos”, meaning “ I am important, what I say will benefit you and would I lie to you?” This is the rallying call to the fellow travelers and useful idiots.

Cont’d.

Cont’d

<< Social unrest. Homeless / depression / road rage /Suicide you name it its happening now >> Pure alarmist rhetoric.

Cult attribute # 8, see above.

<< We need a Plan For all Australian to have something to reach for a goal, Most People set goals in there life short term and long term things don,t (sic.) always work out but gives us something to strive for >>

Platitudes, rhetoric and clichés all joined up to make it “sound” like something.

Cult attribute # 30. Adopt "loaded" language (characterized by "thought-terminating clichés"). Words are the tools we use to think with. These "special" words constrict rather than expand understanding. They function to reduce complexities of experience into trite, platitudinous "buzz words". (Sometimes described as “The Rhetoric Engine”)

To Hasbeen you said;

<< my part about about (sic.) bias in this thread go to any of my other threads and ill (sic.) tear you a new one if you believe they are bad taxes >>

and << Please constructive ideas only or don't post in this thread >> Charming!

Just what we have come to expect from ill informed, belligerent, rude, arrogant, dictatorial and dysfunctional useful idiots.
Applicable Cult attributes;

15. Totalism - "Us against them" thinking, Strengthens group identity. Everyone outside of group lumped under one label.

21. It supports extreme obsessiveness regarding the group orthodoxy, resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.

22. Whenever the group is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".

32. No critical questions about the leadership, doctrine, or policy seen as legitimate.

33. No alternative belief systems viewed as legitimate, good, or useful

If there is any case you wish to make in your own defense you know where I am.

Otherwise consider yourself Boarded!

Boarding Party present and correct Sir!

Bridge Secured Sir!

Dear spindoc
What ivory castle do you live in ? have you ever been homeless or unemployed.
do me a favor go to Blacktown NSW and walk down the main street
I won't ask you to do this in the night time because of safety issues
then come back to me when you have seen the real world. Then jump into your car if its still there and drive over Liverpool way Macquarie fields would be a nice destination I wouldn't wear your Armani suit if I was you.
Also can you Post a link to this Liberal Future Plan

AB,

With all due respect, I understand you had a hard life, but using it to justify hare brained policies that will make everyone poorer doesn't wash. Conservative economic policies result in lower unemployment, faster growth in real wages for the lowest paid, and better conditions overall.

If you want an example of a socialist paradise, just look at Tasmania where Labor green governments have de industrialised the state, and where growth, employment and education are the worst in the country, and the state government survives mostly on hand outs from the federal government.

Dear Spindoc
I did happen to find this piece of propaganda
Most i can see is get ride of mining tax and teach our kids asian languages Not much of a plan my friend sounds like one big sell out
http://lpa.webcontent.s3.amazonaws.com/realsolutions/LPA%20Policy%20Booklet%20210x210_pages.pdf