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We are many and we are one

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I remember the post war migrants well and worked with a number of 'Balts' as they were collectively known.

We were Call Boys at Enfield Locomotive Depot (Sydney), it was our job to deliver job notifications to drivers and firemen who lived within a one mile radius of the depot and on the night shifts to wake them one hour before they were due to sign on (we bore no similarity to Call Girls !).
They quickly assimilated and were keen to learn English and we spent a lot of time between jobs perfecting their new language; being mostly multi-lingual they soon picked up English.
One, a Lithuanian, who became a good friend, had no English until he boarded the migrant ship but by the time he arrived he was fluent.
My other particular workmates were a Latvian, and two White Russians.

One of these latter became so Australian that I met him some years later in Korea at a bit of a get together between 3RAR and 1RAR.

These were young people and only one of them was lucky enough for his father to have come with him the others were on their own having lost all immediate relatives.

The only migrants from these early post war years that I knew who asked for special treatment were a famous surgeon and an exceptional pianist, both had been allocated to labouring jobs at the depot.
Both feared for the sensitivity of their hands and Jack Elton, the District Locomotive Engineer (the Big boss) readily granted their requests (the pianist easily proved his claim by playing on the Canteen piano). The doctor cut out his two years compulsory as a very diligent clerk in the main office and the pianist in a stores job.

In later years these lads that I knew were indistinguishable from their neighbours except for their names and their ability to speak more than one language.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 31 January 2014 9:22:14 AM
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otb,

I have told you in the past that I do not wish to interact
with you. I have stated quite clearly many times
that I have no interest
in responding or interacting with you.

As far as the information that I have provided on Lithuanians
and other post war immigrants goes. That information, is given
by people who have lived during those times and what they
experienced, this information has been taken from available
government records, Oral Recordings, documentation and personal
experiences.
It has been thoroughly researched, and it can all be verfied
through the primary sources that I mentioned earlier.

BTW - Any intelligent person would realise that the
historical conditions that existed at that time do not
denigrate a country or its people. The material
simply presents things as they were during those times.
If you want to present things from your own point of view
and your own interpretations - you are entitled to do so.
However do not accuse me of invention, denigration, or make
false assumptions about me and then expect me to respond.
That is unacceptable.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 31 January 2014 9:58:04 AM
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Foxy,

You just want your own opinions to hold sway, that is all. However the public are waking up to people who claim to be experts and who employ storytelling rhetoric in lieu of facts and documentary evidence, particularly from official sources. But then you would cast suspicion about official sources and reports in the newspapers of the time, just as you denigrate what you disparingly label the 'MSM' or mainstream media.

Facts do matter. It is never good enough to work back from your conclusion to cherry-pick and distort to arrive at where you want to be. Storytelling is commonplace. It is in lieu of QA by peers, eg peer review in a respectable journal. It is myth-making. Get the sensationalist headline and no matter that the truth comes out ages later in a wee column on page 4.

Storytelling is toxic, divisive and destructive. Much worse is that such 'information' is unreliable. Yet a lot of it is being taught in schools as fact. The Marxist would be proud that their sly language tools are used to such effect.

That is what has been happening in the victim industries. An example among many would be the claimed officially-supported massacres of Aborigines. Where is the actual evidence though?
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 31 January 2014 12:17:00 PM
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otb,

Again - you refer to "storytelling" as if evidence
does not exist. Are you really that ignorant?
Or are you simply stirring?

The evidence exists - and if you
can't Google it - go to your local library and ask for
help. That includes on any topic of this country's
history including the Aboriginal people's massacres.

What level of education have you achieved and how old
are you? I'm just curious as many people that I deal
with on a daily basis in my job have been poorly
served by their teachers and by the nation's historians
in the past. They've been denied information, interpretation,
and understanding. It is as I've stated previously now
possible to explore the past by means of a large number
of books, and other primary sources. And we certainly now
know a great deal about the history of Indigenous-Settler
relations.

But knowing brings burdens which can be shirked by those
living in ignorance. With knowledge however, the question is no
longer what we know, but what we are to now do, and that is a
much harder matter to deal with and as far as the Aboriginal
people are concerned will probably continue to perplex us
for many years to come.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 31 January 2014 12:33:04 PM
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Foxy,

The fact remains that you cherry-pick to work back from your conclusion. You lack balance.

Like others I do not seek to change your prejudices, but I will not stand idly by while you tip undeserved buckets on your fellow Australians, and indirectly on the post-WW2 migrants who fled Europe and would never have contemplated, nor had a bar of the victim politics you play.

The monkey is on your back and you are welcome to it.
Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 31 January 2014 1:06:47 PM
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otb,

I'm not interested in mud-slinging contests.
All I can do professionally for you Sir, is
politely suggest that you try to get a hold of
James Jupp's book, "From White Australia to
Woomera," the recently revised and updated version,
and read it. James Jupp is Australia's leading
specialist in migration issues. He covers the entire
history of Australian migration in this book as well
as covering the vexed issues of refugees and
asylum seekers in great depth. You may just learn
something.

I can't do any more for you.
And, I have no further wish to either read what you have
to say or respond to you. Therefore if you still persist
in addressing posts to me - you shall be ignored.
I am not in the slightest bit interested in anything
you have to say. I am not paid to deal with your type
on this forum. I suggest you go and talk to someone
who cares. I don't!

Cheers.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 31 January 2014 4:40:30 PM
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