If any ever doubted the immorality of greenie organisations, I suggest you take a look at a so called survey currently being put about by WWF.

It is carefully crafted so you can only say everything they mention is bad, all you can do is arrange how bad each thing is by comparison.

As a bit of emotive garbage, it is some of the best/worst I have see. These people are really disgusting.

I don't know how I got on their Email schedule, but I might just stay there, so I can see what other nefarious stuff they are up to.

Hasbeen not sure about morally wrong.
What frightens me is they seem to believe what they say.
Too that the trendy City to bush folk think they are worth while.
Wish they had a plan but they like you and me know they will never be in power so promise any thing knowing they will never deliver.
Tasmania is about to change government greens taint any party they touch/use

Truly the worst survey that I've ever seen.

Looks like something that the local Greens would think up n a bad day.

What survey?
Surely if you start a thread about a survey you would give us the link Hasbeen?

Sorry Suse, I'm not that into computing, that I could do that, even if I wanted to.

Hasbeen,
Give us more info.

I googled WWF and they have a number of surveys.

At least tell us what it is about and someone may be able to find it.

I am hopeless with computers too.

D’oh Haz you really do need to get into posting links. It is so simple even I can do it… and I’m a computer anti-nerd if ever there wuz one!

I googled ‘WWF survey’. It came up with a seven-question survey. Is this the one you are referring to?

Good to know I am not alone, about computers that is.
Here is how simple when some one tells you.
Open on link existing here by just clicking on it twice.
On seeing one in another place you want open the page.
Watch as the information on bottom line showing it opening stops.
Then right click on it.
Find cut and its now yours to re post.
Go to you required place put curser over the spot right click and hit paste.

Now I learned that here, from one under god thanks.
But we of some age will never know as much as a 12 year old does and in part we are to blame, for not trying.
Any poster want to take pity and answer questions here, I want to learn too.

Sorry fellers, I deleted the email. Got to be careful your computer is not contaminated by this stuff.

It started with a picture of what looked like a small drilling rig, in a bay, with penguins, & some carefully arranged flotsam on the shore.

It then degenerated into questions like, label the following from one to 4 as which is worse,
Killing your mother,
Killing your father,
Killing your sister,
Killing your teacher.

They did not offer the option of killing WWF.

They must have had the new apprentice write it.

Did you visit the link with your browser, Hasbeen? It will be in your browsers history.

I sometimes wonder about you HASBEEN ? I've always held you up as an example of what some men can attain ? Now you tell me you can't do certain simple operations on your computer ? Mate, neither can I for what it's worth ! I haven't a clue, nor do I possess any understanding of the terminology used either ! In fact I'm an absolute dunce.

Concerning the 'Greens' in relation to that organisation. I do have sufficient vocabulary in which to adequately define them, their membership, and their founder, Robert Brown esq ? An interesting individual, so I'm led to believe ?

HASBEEN, please re-direct your attention back to the matter at hand, of how to do, whatever it is you have to do, about the WWF ?

Gezzzzz people, I wonder what this is all about?..I went into a pet shop the other day and to my shock...there were ten budgies in ten cages, all chattering to themselves in their mirror's...I asked the pet shop owner' what's all the squawking about, He said...don't worry about it.. 'when they get old and grumpy talking to themselves all day, you wish someone would adopted one,one-day, before they go insane:) Yes its very sad indeed..I said.

Hasbeen….this should brighten up your day……since your such a animal man country boy at heart:)

http://tinyurl.com/lblauey

Planet3

Killing your mother,
Killing your father,
Killing your sister,
Killing your teacher.
Killing the unborn
or worse of all

killing a shark and eating it.

Runner,

I think I'll flake!

o sung wu my mother used to tell me that there were none so slow to learn, as those who did not want to know. I guess that is it with me & computers.

When I needed them in business I paid someone who knew what they were doing.

If they had an index in the instructions, like a workshop manual for my cars, I'm sure I could do it all. Of course even then I would have to want to.

Dont know much about The Greenies, dont think I want to bother if this is the crap they have to offer. Recruiting kids or too much of the green? Nice bit of battered flake for me.

Runner...god you make me laugh...lol.....yes its the sharks fault that you happen to be swimming in their backyards...so all surfers head down the beach now for quick paddle....lol....and every shark with haft a brain will be there too.

I know its not a funny matter when a loved one gets eaten....and if memory severs me well, I think the last victim was a Christian.....fat lot of good that did him....condolences to the families of all shark attacks...but god did put all the little fishies in the sea.

Memo...to the next ark builder...NO SHARKS!

Cowabunga dudes.......chomp!

Planet3:)

What a thread, here we have Hasbeen trying to degenerate the "greenies" assisted by the usual motley collection of illiterates.

Hasbeen at school

Teacher" "Hasbeen your essay on 'The Life and Times of Adolf Hitler'."
Hasbeen: " Yes sir!...and an excellent essay it is. if I must say so myself. Worthy of a 10 out of 10."
Teacher: "Well Hasbeen"
Hasbeen: "Well.. what sir."
Teacher: "Well, read your essay to the class,... NOW!"
Hasbeen: "No sir."
Teacher: "Why NOT!"
Hasbeen: "Well sir.... can not do."
Teacher; "Why NOT!"
Hasbeen; "The dog ate my essay!"
Teacher: "Hasbeen! to the DUMMIES corner."

However I do agree with some comments on this tread.

Is Mise; "Truly the worst survey that I've (NEVER) ever seen."
Banjo to Hasbeen; "I am hopeless too."
Belly: "Good to know I am not alone"
Hasbeen; "Sorry fellers"
o sung wu: "HASBEEN? I've always held you up as an example of what some men can attain? Now you tell me you can't do certain simple operations,(like lifting the lid on the toilet)... Mate, neither can I for what it's worth ! I haven't a clue, In fact I'm an absolute dunce."
Belly: "we of some age will never know as much as a 12 year old"
Hasbeen: "These people are really disgusting."

Suse asked an intelligent question "What survey?" Answer Hasbeen's survey, THE ONE THE DOG ATE!
LOL.

Paul,

I read one of the surveys, the Canadian one, and it is, indeed the worst survey that I have ever seen.

Here's a link http://survey.wwf.ca/Public/Content/SurveyQuestionsDynamic.aspx

Thank you Paul1405, you really are an unpleasant bit of rubbish aren't you?

Ever thought of addressing the garbage these people produce, obviously with your complete approval.

Birds of a feather comes to mind.

I still can't find the thing on their website, at least without giving them far more private information than any wise person would give to such scum.

Is Mise, you agreed with Hasbeen and his "it (survey) is some of the best/worst I have see. These people are really disgusting.
You chime in with "Truly the worst survey that I've ever seen." when you couldn't have had a clue as to what, if any, survey Hasbeen was referring to as there was no reference to it in his post. You then come in with "the Canadian one"
Even Banjo posted "Hasbeen,Give us more info.

Hasbeen I'm not the one posting about killing people, you are.

Hasbeen....wit is only short of...and some just sit back and watch and listen. What we do in life, are just learnt tricks……it has nothing to do with intelligence....all the best.

Planet3

Hi there HASBEEN...

You're absolutely correct ! I reckon blokes of our age have to, WANT to learn this new technology. Instead of relying on others, to 'set it up' or get us out of strife ? I suppose as long as I'm reasonably competent with managing the Ebay processes, and can prepare and send the occasional Email, well eh that's all I need I figure.

Good evening PAUL1405...Why is it you feel this unfettered urge or mania to engage in this absurd practice of belittling other contributors on this Forum ? From your obvious symptomatology you seem to suffer from another form of (yet undiagnosed) narcissistic psychosis. I've witnessed some years ago now. Apparently, yet to be described in DSM IV ?

Evidently, you find it difficult to be tolerant enough to standby and observe other ordinary individuals engaging in healthy discourse ? Perhaps if you endeavoured to be a little more convivial with your exchanges with others, they may even begin to take you, and much of what you have to say, more seriously ? Give it a go, young fella .

Listening to proffessor Chubb tonight makes the Paul1405's of this world definitely look to be the losers of tomorrow.

Dear Is mise,

I read through the survey and am at a little bit of a loss to see why this is the “indeed the worst survey that I have ever seen.”

As long as they preface any published results with “Of the respondents to a survey on our website ...”. I would have a real issue if they were to claim something like “An independent survey has found...” but there is no evidence of that happening.

They certainly haven't try and pass themselves off as anything they are not, that trait tends to come from the right side of politics.

Take for instance the duplicitously named Australian Environment Foundation (AEF) who have produced articles on OLO.
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=14399&page=0

One of their latest articles is “Tasmania World Heritage Listing counter-productive”

Quote;
The Australian Environment Foundation today supported the federal government’s resolve to rescind the ill-advised World Heritage listing of Tasmanian forests which are part of the current ‘peace deal’ process.
“Australia must pull its weight in meeting local demand for forest products and not continue to outsource our consumer demand to countries with lesser environmental standards in timber harvesting” said AEF executive director Max Rheese.
End quote.
http://aefweb.info/media841.html

Or what about the formally called Forest Protection Society now known as Timber Communities Australia. Note the appropriation of the Green's symbol.
http://www.tca.org.au/

They also have been given space on OLO.
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=6382

Source watch describes them as “is a national front group funded by logging companies and the National Association of Forest Industries.”

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Timber_Communities_Australia

This is true misrepresentation of the worst kind. Yet not a peep in protest from your side?

Jodelle,
You have not missed anything by not knowing much about the greens.

They have some very wacky policies, here is a few.

Do away with our armed forces and train civilians in passive resistance.

Everyone should get a government handout.

All drugs should be legal.

Lower the age to vote.

Lower the age of consent.

They still have these policies but now have changed the wording so they mean whatever you want. Cunning and deceitful I call it.

Paul,

Haebeen said, "If any ever doubted the immorality of greenie organisations, I suggest you take a look at a so called survey currently being put about by WWF."

Now I have never doubted but I Googled WWF and came up with the Canadian WWF survey and it stinks.

SteeleRedux,

"....Yet not a peep in protest from your side?"

Which is my side anyway?

I abhor liars and the Greens I particularly abhor as, in my humble opinion, they are not only liars but a fifth column within Australia.

Is Mise,

Of course you have the right to hold an opinion about the Canadian WWF survey, it "stinks" that is your opinion, I have no opinion on that Canadian survey as i have never laid eyes on it.
BUT, and this was my point the 3rd post on this thread was from you, posting; "Truly the worst survey that I've ever seen." a reply to the original Hasbeen post. Which was;
"If any ever doubted the immorality of greenie organisations, I suggest you take a look at a so called survey currently being put about by WWF. yuda, yuda,yuda.
At no point in his original post did Hasbeen refer to the WWF Canadian survey, in fact other than a vague reference to a so called current survey being conducted by the WWF (incidentally a google of 'WWF current survey' fail to cough up any such survey for me, current or otherwise.)
From the Haseen original post you could not possibly have known what survey Hasbeen was referring to, as none was named. Yet you chimed in with an uninformed "Truly the worst survey that I've ever seen." with out any qualification such as The Canadian WWF survey is the worst survey that I've ever seen. So I can only conclude you have an ill informed and distinct bias against WWF surveys in general.

Paul,

You have hit the holding device squarely on the driving area with the force applying implement.

Dear o sung wu,

You write;

“Good evening PAUL1405...Why is it you feel this unfettered urge or mania to engage in this absurd practice of belittling other contributors on this Forum ? From your obvious symptomatology you seem to suffer from another form of (yet undiagnosed) narcissistic psychosis. I've witnessed some years ago now. Apparently, yet to be described in DSM IV ? 

Evidently, you find it difficult to be tolerant enough to standby and observe other ordinary individuals engaging in healthy discourse ? Perhaps if you endeavoured to be a little more convivial with your exchanges with others, they may even begin to take you, and much of what you have to say, more seriously ? Give it a go, young fella.”

I think the general sentiment you have put is quite a valid one and I applaud it, convivial discourse should almost always be striven for.

I do however have an issue about you expressing it here and in this manner.

It is well known that Paul1405 in a member of the Greens.

Let me ask how much your conviviality would be maintained if the title to this post had been “The immorality of the NSW police force” and the opening post included lines like “These people are really disgusting.”?

Then when you went to defend them you were referred to as an “unpleasant bit of rubbish” and the rest of the force as “such scum”!

May I also inquire why the plea for conviviality was not also directed at Hasbeen who, from any fair reading of the thread, is obviously far more transgressive of the boundaries of convivial discourse than Paul1405?

'evening to you STEELEREDUX...

Concerning HASBEEN and his comments that were directed toward PAUL1405, I've no problem with anything he's said. Personally I've always found HASBEEN as one of the most erudite and practical individuals on this Forum. He speaks with a clear, no nonsense, pragmatic approach, which I personally find very refreshing indeed. That said like everybody, I don't always agree with some of his views or opinions, but that is one of the most appealing and agreeable components, of all the constitute elements, that make up this prestigious assembly, surely ?

The police force is always considered 'fair game' on either OLO or this Forum. And I don't have a problem with that. However, whenever an individual launches into some denunciation or speculative criticism of police, I tend to get a little 'dark'. I'll not seek to enumerate some of the more outstanding work of the police, as most people are already aware of that.

From the obverse to the reverse. Like any large 'paramilitary' organisation, where there's often daily temptations, risks, and constant auditorial processes, the members can and do occasionally walk around with a degree of 'attitude' or 'inclination', if you like. Something I've learned over the 32+ years in the job - the general public are your hardest bosses, without doubt !

In conclusion, I find it peculiar that you know feel it necessary STEELEREDUX to provide PAUL1405 with some modest degree of intellectual succour. When all he need do; is mature significantly; manifestly tidy up his vocabulary; and discard the 'log' he chooses to carry around on his shoulder ? Perhaps then, other more genial contributors herein, may become more supportive of his opinions and views ?

SteeleRedux, thanks for your support. About how I see this forums, and forums in general and those who choose to contribute. Many of the threads here are about quite serious matters in society, discussing things often that even include matters of life and death. Contributors are all granted the luxury of anonymity, something to hide behind, their nic their pseudonym. In fact some real people may well contribute under more than one nic' I personally only have one, but could just as easily have say 3 and I could create 3 distinct "personalities" one for each.
As for the forum itself, what is its purpose, what does it achieve, and what are the outcomes. It’s a talkfest, no decisions are made, no conclusions are reached, and it has little or no impact on society. It is basically there for the enjoyment of the contributors.
As for me personally, I’m sometimes amazed at the seriousness some posters display, taking great offence when others, such as me lampoon their pseudonym. It’s not something I engage in much in real life in fact I take my political endeavors very seriously indeed.
I can say without reservation nothing posted on this forum has ever insulted me personally, others can attack Paul1405 as much as they like, but I’ll never feel personally by that, just amused.
Others will see the forum and their role in it differently, so be it. Besides I do like to make people laugh, and this forum at times could do with a bit less stuffiness and a bit more light hearted “tomfoolery”, can act as a reality check for some. So in conclusion I can assure you this Little Green Pixie will carry on his/hers/its merry way,
con't

con't
P/s I thought the piece on Hasbeen/Teacher was very good, if I do say so myself, a bit of wit because Hasbeen failed to actually post a link. The only other bit that could be deemed offensive, which I don’t think it was, was under that, using actual words posted to create a rather cuckoo conversation. The rest of my posts on this have been rather staid.

O Sung Wo, I did a Google on Sung Wo, and I came up with the Sung Wo Chinese Restaurant, all I can say is I love Chinese, give me a pork chow mein any day. From your postings I “understand” behind the pseudonym is a policeman of many years service, your posting under your nic; reflects my pre conceived notion of how such a real life policeman of many years service would think and therefore post. I do not wish to offend you personally but if I have, I have.

o sung wu, I am flattered you call me, Paul1405, young fella, I am indeed a "young fella" having been created by the old codger behind me only a few short years ago, I think you are even younger than me. But that is not why I'm posting this one. I want to relate a real life true story to you about that old codger, I'll put it in the first person.
I used to have a very good mate who was an ex copper, 40 years service, never rose above the rank of Crown Sargent. My mate drank too much and smoked too much and sadly a while back passed on. I enjoyed nothing better than going out for a mornings fishing in the boat. It wasn't the fishing I enjoyed so much but more the old blokes company and the yak yak we used to engage in. At times I would take the piss out of him for being a copper, and he would give me a serve for being a "greenie", like "your not going to keep that one, are you, Bob Brown will excommunicate ya, if ya do" I would come back with something like "bad luck, put me under arrest, besides your chief witness (the fish) is dead!"
So, there is more to people than meets the eye, or what you read on a forum for that matter. P/s The ex copper one time helped me with "letterboxing" for the mod he hated, The Greens, was good enough to like me to the point where he would help promote a mob he hated, his take on doing that "so what, I need the exercise, besides they'll never get my vote. When he died The Libs lost a certain vote.

Dear Paul1405,

To be honest the post was written primarily to challenge o sung wu's post than to support your good self since it is something you hardly need, being more than capable of looking after yourself here.

You query the value of posting here against such strident and implacable views. For me it is twofold, the first is that such views posted in a public forum should not go unanswered. Somebody reading them may well think they have validity simply because they go unchallenged. Secondly the effort of constructing strong counter arguments forces from one research and depth that might not have otherwise have occurred. This can only be a good thing.

Dear o sung wu,

Thank you for your considered reply. Forgive me however as I must point out an obvious deficiency. You failed to address the primary question which I phrased thus;

“May I also inquire why the plea for conviviality was not also directed at Hasbeen who, from any fair reading of the thread, is obviously far more transgressive of the boundaries of convivial discourse than Paul1405?”

Putting aside your obviously high regard for Hasbeen I would ask you to consider who a reader of this specific thread, unhampered by your proclivities, might adjudge the less convivial, Hasbeen or Paul1405?

Secondly do you think humour serves to enhance or diminish conviviality? I would have thought the former. Paul1405 certainly endeavoured to utilise it yet none was forthcoming from Hasbeen. A not insignificant factor one would have thought but I await your opinion.

PAUL1405...

Previously I said I'd not entertain any further dialogue with you. However, in the interests of accuracy, it's therefore necessary that I regrettably depart from this - you claim you've located a Chinese Restaurant titled Sung Wo ? So ? My sobriquet is Sung Wu !

Perhaps it was your old (dec) fishing mate, the 'crown sargent' (sic) that gave me that sage advice all those years ago, '...never argue with a mug...' !

and STEELEREDUX...

I have this sense you're endeavouring to extract some sort of reaction from me, by engaging in this circuitous and inveigling discussion about the literal merits of a particular paragraph in HASBEEN's aforesaid thread ? Actually, I thought you were better than that ?

Dear o sung wu,

What you describe as 'endeavouring to extract some sort of reaction from me' my faculty can only regard as 'asking a simple question of you'.

That you again felt unable to be forthcoming surely leads me to the conclusion that the question should be withdrawn but also comforted by the fact its answer is thus rendered patently obvious.

This I do forthwith.

'afternoon to you STEELEREDUX...

I'm moved to respond to you the only way that I feel is appropriate, for you of course ?

Res ipsa loquitur - 'the thing speaks for itself'
And for your further edification STEELEREDUX...

Late in the nineteenth century an Irishman, Serjeant (sic) Sullivan, before a Quarter Sessions "...Mr Sullivan said the judge; this would appear to be a case of 'res ipsa loquitur'. Is that an expression with which you would be familiar ? Why my lord, I am indeed, very familiar; in the vales of southern Ireland, whence I hail, the people talk of little else..."

Totidem verbis ?

Dear o sung wu,

Quidquid Latine dictum sit altum videtur.

SteeleRedux, thanks for those links about the "Australian Environment Foundation" aka "Timber Communities Australia." Clearly highlighting the deceitful lengths the logging industry will resort to. All in an abysmal attempt to mislead and fool people into believing those opposed to their cause, have turned turtle and are somehow now in support.
Any fair minded person reading those web sites could easily come to the conclusion that; "Well the environmental people are in favor, then logging can't be too bad, lets give it a go." Unfortunately these people have to resort to these kind of tactics because if they tried to stand on their track record, they would be shot down in flames. Yes we may have to wait some time to get acknowledgment from the usual suspects, that what you have posted is so, they are more concerned about the evil doings of the WWF and a yet to be identified survey.

To my illustrious Latin Praeceptor; STEELEREDUX...

'...Nescio quid dicas...' ?

And good evening to you.

o sung wu, from me to you

Nga manaaki tanga, me te aroha i uru atu ki runga ia koe.