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VLAD Laws

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The fundamental attack on your basic human rights and absolute destruction of democratic law by the Newman government in Queensland with the complicity of the Queensland Police Service, judges, and media, serves as a warning to you that your vision of a democratic and free society is an absolute illusion.

The offensive condescension by the complicit media in the continual usage of the term "bikie law" is a slap in the face of anyone with half a brain. At no point in the VLAD legislation are you and I clearly separated from "outlaw gangs" and at no point does it state that you and I are free from being targeted if and any point we decide to stand up and be counted with our hand in the air screaming injustice.

The violation of rights of these Queensland constituents before and during incarceration is tantamount to crimes against humanity.

I have never been so offended, sickened, dismayed, angry, and sad, at the actions of a so called democratic government as I am with this travesty of a government and law.

Shame, to those involved. What an offensive legacy.
Posted by StG, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 8:03:10 PM
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Hold on StG, letís not jump to the end of the spectrum with this. Itís a damn good thing to crack down on criminal bikie activities. For too long theyíve basically has free rein to do all manner of nasty stuff.

Tough action was certainly needed.

Yes, it is a step too far for people associated with a bikie gang meeting in a pub to end up in jail, regardless of whether they were in any way involved with criminal activities. But hey, it is hard to be tough without pushing it a bit too far in some ways.

If only we could implement laws that directly targeted offenders and imposed penalties directly proportional to the severity of their offences, without affecting anyone else. But of course we canít do that. The law is always going to come down on people very unevenly.

Well, I say: so be it, just as long as the organised crime element is significantly reduced, and at least some of the worst offenders are nabbed and harshly dealt with.
Posted by Ludwig, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 9:52:21 PM
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Actually, if we could depend on our judges to apply suitable sentencing for proven criminals, none of these "special" laws would be necessary, nor would have they been enacted.

While we have a judiciary more interested in the wellbeing & rehabilitation of criminals, than in protecting the public, our parliament has no other choice.

Even tonight we had some silly little academic girl repeating the fool statement that heavier sentences would not deter the king hit brigade.

I guess these humanities girls can't do arithmetic. If she could, she would realise, if the offenders are banged up for 20 years, there will be many less repeat offenders. It is by letting them out in just a couple of years, even when they have killed an innocent person, that we get multiple repeat offenders.
Posted by Hasbeen, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 10:26:10 PM
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I had not really looked at the new law proposed in Queensland before tonight, so I looked it up. Here is the link.
https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/Bills/54PDF/2013/VicLawAssDisB13.pdf

I have to admit that it did concern me a little in that it never really specifies bikie gangs as being the prime targets for such punishment.
It talks about 'clubs or organizations of more than three people'.

So, technically, anyone could be caught up in this strict sentencing law for relatively minor criminal activity, if they are shown to be a member of a club?
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 12:57:18 AM
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Continued....
I meant to add that I will be vacating the position of secretary in my local Country Women's Association today, just in case the treasurer is stealing money...
Posted by Suseonline, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 12:59:36 AM
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I don't have an issue with the police getting rid of criminal organisations.

I do have an issue with a bloke being locked up for a month for delivering a pizza, or a bloke being intimidated by six police crews and detained without charge for an hour because of the look of his jacket. I have an issue with the potential for these laws being used against you if the police choose too because you and your group may have an issue with what the government is doing. I have an issue with the fact that these constituents are having their human rights violated - not end result - this is a fact and happening. I have an issue with the government dismissing the democratic law of the land and your basic rights as inconvenient.
Posted by StG, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 6:04:32 AM
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