Dear Foxy,

That is an eye-opener.

I wonder how widespread the phrase was. I thought it was Australian. However, my grandmother did spend time in Canada ...?

Dear Danielle,

As sure as "God made Apples," has been cited in print
since at least 1828. It's a popular idiom - that probably
originates with the Bible (Adam and Eve et cetera). It
translates to mean being - dead cert about something.

Dear Foxy,

Thank you. You are a wonderful source for information ...

Dear onthebeach,

Pole Dancing is now considered a sport and having international championships.

Do you think it will catch on with men? If it does, do you think feminists will resist it?

When my son was in primary school he played football. Having begged me to teach him how to knit, he took his little piece of knitting along to practice. Neither his football skills nor knitting skills, unfortunately, have improved.

Good evening to you DANIELLE...

Thank you very much indeed for your several contributions to this Topic, I really appreciate it.

As I was reading your last thread, I saw your son wished to learn to knit, that's great I'm sure ? Reading on I was astonished to see that he also wished to take his knitting to footy practice ?

When I was playing League about 100 years ago, if I was to take knitting to Pratten Park, in Ashfield, for our thrice weekly football practice...well I'm not entirely sure what sort of reception I'd receive DANIELLE ? Today, in our more sophisticated, and with a more distinctive, liberal predilection, within our multi-cultural society, I couldn't envisage any complications associated with 'individual' players, or if it were a game, spectators. Even so...?

Again, many thanks DANIELLE, I do appreciate the time you've put into your thoughts.

Danielle,

I am not sure what point you are trying to make about your son's knitting, footy and pole dancing.

I see pole dancing as a difficult mix of contortionism and gymnastics. Contortionism is interesting as another interest of women, but not as popular or not popular at all with men. Perhaps women's bodies lend themselves to pursuits of that kind. Why some feminists laud it (pole dancing) as 'empowering' and thirty-somethings find it 'sexy' to perform in the company of other women in women's gyms, I have no idea. Some women do like to flaunt it though and many women are competitive with other women. Fashion proves that.

But who cares? It is all down to choice isn't it? No-one is making anyone do anything, or preventing anyone from doing anything (legal, one hopes). It is choice and enjoying life and maybe wearing the consequences. It is wearing thin constantly blaming men for women's choices (and consequences) though.

The only objection I have is where some are happy to exercise choice, but want others to shoulder the responsibility for them. As the saying goes, 'You can't have your cake and eat it too'. Or the Germans might say, 'You can't dance at two weddings'.