Foxy you are one feisty Lady, and quite right.
579 too is trying to shed light on the truth but as can be seen some do not want to know.
Shadow Minister I could list the firms international and local I serviced.
And offer no defense for your truly held opinions, some I clearly share.
*The sheer stupidity of the THUGGISH C F M E U*
A union that targets other unions, lies and uses the OHXS laws to force bosses to ? *help them gain members*!
My pride is I took them on and won, every time, even more after determining my boss was unfit to work for did not take my revenge, the thugs trying to become civilized offered me a job, I refused.
Now! have some manners OTB you know I will never again talk to you, so cop this! your needling and loud mouthed shouting changes nothing!
I have more respect for the thugs and mugs union than I do for you, ZERO.
A challenge, who of us posts just to protect their side of politics?
Then look at my continuing willingness to target unions and yes Rudd Gillard and who ever deserves it?
I without doubt know Abbott is stuck in opposition, he has about 8 followers intent on using federal funds to wound Labor.
And he is gone!
Not over night not by my sides hands but by an emerging true Liberal revival in his party.
And in truth I fear that.
Abbott would be a much easier target in an election.
A thought, what is the answer or is there one when you consider leaving the forum to avoid what you see as a troll?
I doubt there is one but we have bled very good posters too often.
Free speech must be supported but it damages some times, if an answer exists it would involve the good will of both sides, an agreement to keep a distance, unlikely in my view from one of note.

Dear Belly,

I don't know about being feisty.
I prefer not to be confrontational - and many interpret
that as a weakness. However, I do feel obliged to
get to the bottom of things. To me this entire business
looks like providing a diversion for the current government
away from the shambles of their 100 days. What is worrying
is what these klutzes will do to protect themselves
and retrieve themselves in the year ahead.

As someone suggested in another article on the web -
"It's quite likely that they will refuse to let
Parliament sit for long periods once Howard is Governor
General and then with a friendlier Senate, break up the
ABC and sell off some of its component parts -
Current Affairs to Skynews, Drama to Jamie Packer, sport
to Singo, and so on. And it will be hard to discover
what's happening or how badly they're doing, since only
Newspoll will be published and show each week, "Surprising
support for Abbott death penalty," or whatever. And then
they will try to make voting voluntary or make it harder,
as happened in Florida, to get into the polling booths after
10.30am."

We're told that "Incompetence is the father of fascism."
And we're also told, "there has been a huge array of incompetence
in the last 100 days as to provide a perfect storm from which
Mussolini's emerge."

cont'd ...

Dear Belly,

This link may be of interest:

http://newmatilda.com/2013/07/08/why-pink-batts-scheme-failed

Its by Ian McAuley - who's reputable, reasoned, and balanced in his views.

While I agree that workplace safety starts with the employer, the problem in this case is that the then PM Rudd, despite several warnings from both his minister (Peter Garret) and industry experts, he, in his usual pig headed manner chose to ignore these REPEATED warnings and push on WITH HASTE.

As a result, it is he who the blame should be fairly and squarely placed upon, as he, as the PM of the day, had the power to shut the scheme down.

Which ever way you look at it, had he acted on the repeated advive, four young lives and billions of dollars, not to mention many ligit businesses would have been saved.

He didn't and he has blood on his hands as a DIRECT RESULT of his arrogance.

He should be judged in the same manner as any employer has been judged for his actions, action that, had they not occurred would have saved the lives of four innocent victims.

One suggestion, if found guilty of criminal or non criminal negligence, would be to strip him of his life long pension as this money could be well used in many better ways than to support this guy.

This is good acknowledgement and great information to participate with experienced persons. I am happy to get satisfied response from the professionals and forum expertise.

I wonder if the investigation will include those contractors who tried to squeeze even more money out of the taxpayer by importing cheap Chinese formaldehyde-laced batts and that may affect installers?

It's not surprising to see Shadow Minister equating the Commonwealth's responsibility with the long-term institutionalised covering up of abuse within the Church - especially considering Abbott's own personal support of child abuser Priest Nestor and the failings of George Pell.