Hi 579,

You say <<I don't see anything coming out of this, don't we already know what happened>>.

I don’t know who “we” is but I don’t know.

So if you already know what happened perhaps you could share that with us.

Can’t wait to hear.

Thanks.

There was deaths but was there any more than usual, given the amount of people working in ceilings at the same time. I am making a comment after to good days! but i will be back.

I did my time as a electrical mechanic apprentice many years ago and at that time the apprentices were nothing more than slave labor for the masters up to your third year. We did five years I think they do four or less today.
Any wiring that you put into, under the floor or up in the ceiling had to be enclosed in steel, screwed conduit and the pipe earthed through an external pipe in the ground.
Today they just throw the "figure 8" cable from one end of the roof in the ceiling and don't even fix it to the timbers.
If you throw insulation batts willy nilly into a ceiling space and start firing fixing pins into the stuff there's a damn good chance your going to hit a live wire.
There are two main methodology failing in this issue. First the actual wiring protocols and secondly the fixing methods of the batt installers.
Add speed for profit and you have a recipe for disaster.
Rudd and the "Musio" have a lot to answer for and in China they would be executed very quickly lets hope that they only finish up in prison for a few years.

Hi BELLY...

I wonder why a government wants to constitute a Royal Commission in matters similar to these ? Further, I'm always suspicious about their motives, because it's a well known fact that the initiating authority (the government) already know many of the answers together with the outcome, before they even consider calling those, who are seeking 'leave to appear', in any event.

Terms of reference are always a concern too ? Often too restrictive and narrow, then the RC is more often confined and limited, with his examination in chief. Conversely, if they're too broad, then the RC is burdened with considerations apropos fiscal constraints. You see, the government likes to obtain the 'most bang for it's buck'. Excessive spending never tends to ingratiate an eager Royal Commissioner, with Treasury either ?

There's nothing more certain when generating wholly unnecessary and excessive costs, to ensure the presiding Royal Commissioner, never gets another 'Guernsey' to ever officiate at another Judicial Enquiry...ever ! Essentially, because government consider he's far too expensive to risk he ever be allowed to run (unrestrained) another more 'lean' Royal Commission, during his lifetime tenure (quorum).

Compellability is a powerful incentive for those witnesses appearing before the Commission. Nevertheless, it can and does occasionally terrify a co-operative and collaborative witness to such an extent, they literally freeze when being examined ? Thus the witness doesn't actually end up benefitting the Commission, even though they're listed as co-operative.

In conclusion, it'll be interesting to see the success or otherwise, of the current Royal Commission into Child Abuse. I certainly hope for the sake of all our children, it's a total success and laws are strengthened to protect our precious children !

Gday all, like I suspect every one of us, I often question my own words and thoughts.
Life has taken me many places and many jobs.
However I am well equipped to know the truth here.
I often tripped over my own thought I knew better than others in my youth, even now.
Chris Gaff is quite right.
Apprentices in this industry are wages slaves.
When the word union crops up people place a blank over their minds union so its wrong!
Again and again I [despite the fact SOME union heads deny it] say there is a difference! a great yawning gap difference, between unions.

Can I say SM, if he wished, as an engineer, could confirm the difference , lunatic some times thugs from the unions worst enemy to its good name the CFMEU! to lets sit down and resolve this issue of the better unions.
And too ANTI UNION FEELINGS before the deaths and fires helped keep the unions of site and out off this issue.
THEY DID try to get a foothold and failed.
Is this country to farm class warfare amongst its classes.
Is the total failure to live up to expectations Abbott and half his front bench has been seen to be, going to use our money to taunt a now gone ex PM.
Look at the cuts planned.
REMEMBER the few truly lost here who made claim Gillards Royal commission was politics based and a waste, not true but remember.
Abbott confronts this year his greatest challenge of his life, himself!
2014 is much more than likely to see not me but his team question his suitability to lead.

I and if we are honest many do not see solicitors and any level of justice as fair or honest.
So no one can know if the fix is in,if honesty or party politics will draw up the results of this RC.
But here is what I see the out come being.
Governments must ensure all work done on its behalf is done with safy.
Too all contractors have the skills and safe work practice in hand.
That work cover or its equivalent must police all such work.
More supervised training for contractors and employees.
By then if justice reigns Tony Abbott will be a back bencher.
SPQR we failed the test at Christmas, did nnot try our first ever Turkey!
All gone now and the salad went down well.
New years day will be on my own king prawns blue swimmer crabs and the sauce?
Victoria Bitter.