Belly, "And believe me I am a progressive"

You mean you are a Fabian Socialist. The mob who don't mind telling porkies to get what they want because words are just tools (yadda, yadda). To a Fabian Socialist, skilled political exponent Julia Whatshername was not lying at all, she was just doing what Fabian Socialists do best. Words (and promises!) mean whatever they want them to mean, and that can change too.

So no, the political 'Progressives' aren't really progressive at all, not 'progressive' in the Oxford dictionary sense, anyhow. They want the State to control everything and of course Fabian Socialists ('Progressives') always presume to know what is best for people. More along the lines of fascism if one wants to be more precise (and honest).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Fascism

No Belly, I don't see you as a "Progressive", I see you as a traditional Labour man.
That is what is wrong with the Labour Party at present.
It has been captured by the progressives.

It has as a result lost the plot.

It is not unrecoverable and I am sure there are many like yourself who will resurrect the Labour Party.

Dear Belly,

This may be of interest to you.
Peter Garrett once wrote these interesting
thoughts:

"The concept of the New Right is the politics of
money and power. It's the ideology of greed,
filled by an unbridled commitment to individualism.
It leaves no room for social equity, compassion or
the idea of an egalitarian society."

"The New Right believes that neither government nor
associations of working people (unions), should be
able to restrict the proper application of capital (money)
in the economy. People in their view, either sink or swim.
And if they sink, well that's too bad. Because according to
the New Right, welfare is not good for business."

"The New Right, it seems, often meets in secret.
They are pro America, pro nuclear weapons, pro the
monarchy, pro big business and pro development.
They are anti conservation, anti union, anti peace
movement, anti multiculturalism and anti government."

"One New Right vision for a future Australia depicts a
scene with mini-nations instead of states; a continent
without a federal parliament, without social welfare,
public health or education, without any co-ordination of
trade or economic policies. In their world business has
the right to get whatever it wants."

Of course you and I know that the only way in which the
country can work properly is for management and labour
to co-operate with one another, not condemn one another.
But the sad truth is that condemantion is the only
language that the New Right appears to understand.
Sad really.

Foxy,
Those writings of Garrett show just how stupid and ill informed the bloke is. If there were those with such agendas their numbers would fit in a phone box.

Dear Banjo,

Stupidity and ignorance is not the domain of any
one person.

There are those who
decry the New Right, there are those who decry
Fabian Socialists and Progressives and accuse
poor Belly a staunch union man of belonging to that
group. (sic). And our political conversations
do seem to be becoming blame sessions. Which is
unfortunate

Garret sure bushwhacked Anna Bligh when she was Premier of Queensland, with his back-flip to refuse the building of the Traveston Dam. Cynical federal short-term 'green' populism that forced Anna Blight into investing in the hugely expensive desalination plant that had environmental problems and has been a drain on State taxpayers ever since. It was the death knell for Anna Blight.

Bob Hawke acknowledged 'the debt of his government to the policies the Fabianism. Fabianism has long been the political religion of the elite, the educated middle class, often legally trained professionals and bureaucrats who are the movers and shakers of Labor's social policies, in particular. However the Fabians like to remain secretive about their beliefs. That 'poisonous' carbon dioxide that needed 'carbon tax' that in turn was largely handed over to the UN (Fabians love world government) is a good example of Fabianism driving certain, many, of Labor's leaders.

Here is Julia Whatshername trying her damnest to twist around and finally duck a simple question regarding her membership of the Fabian Society and the effect of Fabian ideology on her policies, in this case the carbon tax.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhvuR05ZNUY

I would hope that the older Labor stalwarts like Belly will some day see through the sly manipulations of the Fabians and Emily's Listers. They have destroyed what Labor was and they have no interest in what the rank and file want. There is not much the rank and file can do about the Fabian aka 'Progressives' though because they have a 'Monkey's Grip' on Labor. They are doing very well out of Labor, as well, as evidenced by the the Labor leaders who start off with modest means but become millionaires, almost overnight.