Paul yes but I have a feeling if governments did not spy we would demand to know why?
After nine eleven it turned out American spy agency's did not put information together so let their country down.
It is true Howard then and now remains unloved by some.
I doubt however he knew much about the spying.
We turn voters off by harping about yesterdays wrongs.
And too do not have enough information to know what took place and WHY.
Those who blamed the messenger here I have a question for you.
*Are you upset by the revealing in the news up to one hundred young Australian resedents are said to be fighting in Syria*?

Belly: *Are you upset by the revealing in the news up to one hundred young Australian residents are said to be fighting in Syria*?

No, more Muslim gun fodder, but they MUST never be allowed to return to Australia under any circumstance. EVER.

<< [The Jihadis] MUST never be allowed to return to Australia under any circumstance. EVER>>

If only we could enforce that,ay! But the reality is it ain't going to happen.

And we are only reaping what we have sown. BOTH (repeat) BOTH major parties have been all too eager to open our doors to anyone who cries wolf,and bugger the future consequences.

And we could well repeat the mistake--for the hundredth time--with the current war in Syria. With lobby and pressure groups cajoling and conspiring to up our intake.

SPQR yes! we agree, jay b in selling what I am convinced is a good product, making their reentry to our country as hard as we can you stumble.
See no need exists to scream in this debate.
We can just calmly tell the truth and ask for it too.
Why have both sides put us in this mess?
Why has the western world taken in Migrants that SOME TIMES bring death and internal conflicts with them.
Could it be that the UN or UNHCR are a bit like givers of Australian Justice?
You know the release or bonds given for reasons we never understand.
I think they think by mixing us together enforcing PC rules they think we will breed the difference out of humanity.
In fact we will see here things that make us hurt and both sides of the house must be held to acount.

SPQR yes! we agree, jay b in selling what I am convinced is a good product, making their reentry to our country as hard as we can you stumble.
See no need exists to scream in this debate.
We can just calmly tell the truth and ask for it too.
Why have both sides put us in this mess?
Why has the western world taken in Migrants that SOME TIMES bring death and internal conflicts with them.
Could it be that the UN or UNHCR are a bit like givers of Australian Justice?
You know the release or bonds given for reasons we never understand.
I think they think by mixing us together enforcing PC rules they think we will breed the difference out of humanity.
In fact we will see here things that make us hurt and both sides of the house must be held to account.

belly/quote..<<..Why have both sides put us in this mess>>

both sides have plundered others..assets
and those who..betrayed..their own/mob
need a safe place

NEED a new name..new exploitations/new victims..to/exploit/loot
but..mainly..as a safe place..

un-till they genocide..the exploited..into extinction
[or the demonic vote..returns the world/globalist/rapists/back into..power..and then..they go..back/home..

[see how..the leaders..who LOBBIED..invading iran/palistein/alfgannstan..ARE>..ALL..getting the big bucks..now]

MATE..every-thing
every crime..

its all..just business[as usual]
as long as we send aid and comfort
to rich exploiters[colonizers]..we will get the fruit

the refuses..re-fu-gee.
expel..all-duel-passport holders
do not allow then to..export their booty/plunder back..'home'