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Posted by Bazz, Monday, 18 November 2013 7:11:58 AM
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Ugghhh, I might have bitten off more than I can chew with this.
How on earth it can be understood by those of us who are reasonably competent in other fields is a mystery. It does explain how the public servants can put it all over the pollies. The lobbyists for the drug companies and agriculture genetic companies together with the public servants involved could overwhelm the political system. Should this section on intellectual property rights be in a trade treaty anyway ? Posted by Bazz, Monday, 18 November 2013 8:42:29 AM
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More spin equals more freedoms lost.
Posted by chrisgaff1000, Monday, 18 November 2013 11:01:34 AM
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Bazz,
You are basically on the right track. Professor Mariana Mazzucato's recently published book, "The Entrepreneurial State" makes many valid comments about the TPP negotiations and the pharmaceutical industry. The bulk of the new medicines developed in the USA are developed either in government owned laboratories or are funded by government in privately owned labs. The same applies to the bulk of the discoveries in the electronics field. Nearly all the technology included in Apple products was initially developed by research groups commissioned by, and paid by, the defence or space industries. Even the algorism initially used by Google was a government development. Mazzucato quoted an cancer treatment as an example. A years supply of the drug costs $1,000 to produce but the retail charge is $20,000. The US Government charges 0.5% royalty. Instead of attempting to help companies rip off patients worldwide the US Govt should be attempting to reign in the gouging of American citizens by the manufacturing and marketing ghouls. Posted by Foyle, Monday, 18 November 2013 1:15:35 PM
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Foyle - Quote "US Govt should be attempting to reign in the gouging of American citizens by the manufacturing and marketing ghouls."
Problem 1, the Governments are controlled by big business. People might elect them but the conglomerates mostly give the orders. Posted by Philip S, Monday, 18 November 2013 8:58:33 PM
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removed the s from your link
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Scary stuff, Bazz. So corporations get to sue us if they don't like our laws? That Obozo is destroying America and now wants to force his crap on us? Hopefully our lot will tell him to poff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMPE25SpRVk Posted by RawMustard, Tuesday, 19 November 2013 10:17:12 PM
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Raw Mustard, I think the part about overseas companies sueing the
Australian government if our laws disadvantage one of their companies is in another part. Could not find it in this chapter. Does not mean it is not there. I guess that is the art of the draftsman, use wording that politicians would not use in searchers of the document. You could hide anything that way if it was big enough. Posted by Bazz, Wednesday, 20 November 2013 6:17:06 AM
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TPP: NAFTA on Steroids
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/11/tpp-nafta-on-steroids.html The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a trade deal from hell. It's a stealth corporate coup d'etat. It's a giveaway to banksters. It's a global neoliberal ripoff. http://investmentwatchblog.com/uk-eu-and-u-s-siphon-off-billions-of-householders-savings/ It's a business empowering Trojan horse. It's a freedom and ecosystem destroying nightmare. http://torrentfreak.com/we-must-start-punishing-copyright-monopoly-abuse-to-at-least-symmetry-131117/ The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) calls it "a secretive, multi-national trade agreement that threatens to extend restrictive intellectual property (IP) laws across the globe and rewrite international rules on its enforcement." http://investmentwatchblog.com/fabian-calvo-its-the-end-of-the-road-rush-to-hard-assets-looting-of-the-country-happening-right-nowfed-printing-125-billion-a-month/ here is the cost..of just one vote http://www.activistpost.com/2013/11/economic-warfare-philippines-offered.html it all depends on..what this mob..wants http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/israels-exceptionalism-and-the-un/ then some how finishing it off http://presstv.com/detail/2013/11/17/335185/us-hostility-with-iran-over-sovereignty/ Posted by one under god, Wednesday, 20 November 2013 10:39:43 AM
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Here's more on it Bazz.
TPP secrets Obama covertly handing more power to corporations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFAj8MlW390#t=600 This guy talks about Australians being enraged by this but I don't know anyone that even knows about it? I wonder where he gets that idea? Posted by RawMustard, Wednesday, 20 November 2013 9:39:05 PM
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Posted by one under god, Friday, 22 November 2013 10:58:07 AM
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Folks,
This is the "New World Order" flexing its muscles. The "Illuminati" rides again Posted by chrisgaff1000, Monday, 25 November 2013 1:27:58 PM
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know much more.
However it seems that there is a 90 page chapter on intellectual property.
The following is a link to an article on Resilience web site about
the Wikileaks publication of the chapter.
http://tinyurl.com/k9dyrm8
the next link is to the document itself.
https://wikileaks.org/tpp/
I have not yet read it myself but I thought it might be better if a
number of people on here read it at about the same time.
There are parts that increase the time patents of medicines and there
is even a provision to patent surgical procedures.
Internet Service Providers might also be made liable for certain acts.
As Australia is involved and I do not trust pollies to get this sort
of thing right it should have wide coverage.