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Do we ban the religion, or just wait for the inevitable to happen here.
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Posted by Belly, Friday, 29 November 2013 1:53:24 PM
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from/the/pope
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#Realities_are_more_important_than_ideas What/is..not helpful..is..a..diplomatic/openness.. which/just..says..“yes”..[to everything]..in order/to avoid problems,..for/this would/be..a way..of deceiving others.. and..denying/them..the/good..which/we.have been given jointly..to share generously..with ALL/others. Evangelization..and interreligious dialogue,..far from being opposed,..mutually support..and nourish..one another.[197] http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#_ftn197 252...Our/relationship..with/the followers..of Islam has.taken..on/great-importance,..since..they/are now significantly present..in many..traditionally Christian countries,.where/they can freely..worship..and become fully..a part of society. *We must never..forget/that they..“profess/ to hold/the faith..of Abraham,..and together/with us..they adore..the one, merciful God,..who will judge/humanity on..their/our/last day”.[198] http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#_ftn198 The sacred/writings.of Islam..have retained..Christian teachings; Jesus and Mary..receive profound/veneration..and it/is admirable to see..how..our/brother/Muslims both.young and..old,..men and women,..make time/for daily prayer..and..faithfully/take part in religious-services. Many of/them also..have a deep conviction /that their life,..in its entirety,..is from..God..and for God... They also..acknowledge the/need.to respond..to God..with an ethical/commitment..and..with mercy towards..those/most in need. 253...In order.to sustain.dialogue..with Islam,..suitable training is essential..for all involved,..not only/so that.they..can be..solidly and..joyfully grounded...in their own identity, but so/that..they can/also ..cknowledge the values of others,.. appreciate..the concerns underlying..their demand/ and shed light..on shared beliefs. We Christians..should embrace..with affection.and respect Muslim immigrants..to our countries..in the same-way/that..we hope.and ask to be received..and respected..in countries..of Islamic/tradition. I ask..and I humbly entreat..those countries to grant Christians freedom..to worship..and..to practice their faith,..in light of the freedom which..followers of Islam..enjoy in Western countries! Faced with..disconcerting/episodes of violent fundamentalism,..our respect fo..true followers of Islam..must..lead us to.avoid hateful generalisations,..for authentic Islam..and the proper.reading of the Koran..are opposed..to every form..of violence. 254. Non-Christians,..by God’s gracious initiative,..when they are faithful..to their own consciences,..can live “justified by the grace of God”,[199] http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#_ftn199 and thus..be..“associated to..the paschal mystery of Jesus Christ”.[200] http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#_ftn200 But due/to..the sacramental..dimension of/sanctifying grace,..God’s working..in them..tends/to produce signs..and rites,.sacred expressions..which in turn bring..*others to..a communitarian experience..of journeying towards God.[201] http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html#_ftn201 While/these lack the meaning..and efficacy of/the sacraments instituted..by Christ,..they can be/channels which the Holy Spirit raises up..in order to liberate non-Christians..from atheistic immanentism..or from purely individual..religious experiences. http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=6040&page=0#176858 The same/Spirit everywhere..brings forth various/forms of practical wisdom..which help people.to bear suffering..and to live-in greater peace and harmony. http://miraclevision.com/acim/urtext/acim-urtext-2003-upe-ready-edition.pdf Posted by one under god, Friday, 29 November 2013 2:13:42 PM
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Is Mise, so in addition to slavery, colonisation and piracy, you now add the brutal invasions by Asians as further justification for an all-inclusive immigration policy that will ultimately make an entire race (a biological type) and their civilisation *extinct*! (This isn't just happening in Australia, but everywhere there's White/Western people)
Your policy means the eventual destruction of entire peoples and cultures. And you have the nerve to think you're morally superior to me. Hah! Posted by Shockadelic, Friday, 29 November 2013 6:41:59 PM
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Shockadelic,
Where do you get your weird guesstimates from? What I have objected to is your use of 'white' merely pointing out that it is erroneous as a description of Europeans. Even that arch white supremacist, Adolph Hitler, considered Indians to be Aryan people and thus 'white' regardless of their pigmentation; not going to go against the master are you? Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 29 November 2013 9:45:21 PM
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Dear Is Mise,
Although racism is found among different peoples in societies all over the world, the racism of the Western powers was notable for its international scale and systematic theoretical justification by theologians and scientists alike. This racism reached its most extreme form during the course of this century in the rantings of Adolf Hitler, a short, dark man who believed that the tall, blond, blue-eyed "Aryan" race was infinitely superior to all others, destined to rule the world, and had to maintain its racial purity. In spite of the fact that there is no such thing as an "Aryan" race, Hitler's theories fired Germany, with a sense of national identity - and led to concentration camps, gas chambers, and a global war. (Ironically, the American forces that helped destroy Nazi Germany fought Hitler with a racially segregated army, and fed German prisoners of war in canteens where black American soldiers were refused service). Today, racist ideology is considered so disreputable that few people or governments, whatever their private attitudes, dare to openly endorse a racist attitude. Yet racism, often subtle in form, is still commonplace in the modern world, as we can see from this on-going discussion. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 29 November 2013 10:20:08 PM
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LOL, Foxy is off again on one of her rants against 'white' Western peoples. It doesn't take much to set her going.
Foxy, those 'whites' you so despise and 'diss' died in their thousands to protect the world from Hitler. Why do you imagine that so many thousands of young Australian men volunteered, risking their lives to liberate Europe from that monster, Hitler? Many of us lost loved ones and cared for men who returned broken from WW2. Bear in mind too how willing Australia was to give sanctuary and a home to orphans and people fleeing Europe. Australia's economy and industry were devastated by the war, where everything was oriented to war production. We couldn't even feed and house our own loved ones, much less provide work for returned servicemen. Notwithstanding that, Australia took people in by the thousands. What manner of 'racism' is that, pray tell? Posted by onthebeach, Friday, 29 November 2013 11:19:28 PM
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I very often, ask my self why I a person who thinks humanity is one, hold strong opinions about those who practice the Muslim Faith.
This link, from the current center of Islamic radicalism gave me an answer.
I must reverse the question.
Do those who stand against my opinion know, truly see, the other side.
Muslim country,s Murder other Muslims, in the name of their God, show me one that has not seen this.
Here as the worlds greatest ever cricketer lauded in every country that plays the game, retires?
A mad insane warning that celebrating him is an insult to?
Islam.
We have Muslims with the highest education.
And too those with none bar Islamic teachings that saw the burning of cars and the blind moronic flogging of one well one fire.